What Happens When You Die?

[Thief]

This merry-go-round is going on without any end in sight. I will again enquire the meaning of


He is before all things, and in him all things have being. Colossians 1.17

Another way of placing the Creator first.

Spirit first.....substance by the hand of God.

 

[Thief]

Pretension is not a lie; it's a game.

God is pretending to be and play all the parts of what you think is the 'creation'.

It's called 'Hide and Seek'.

...or don't you approve?

...or are you God pretending to be Thief who is disapproving, just to hide that much more from your true nature?

This would be the perspective of the devil.
Undo creation by making it all a lie.

Nothing is real...nothing is true.....it's all illusion.

But 'I' believe in the Creator.

 

[atanu]

Another way of placing the Creator first.

Spirit first.....substance by the hand of God.

Then what remains of individuals?

 

[godnotgod]

This would be the perspective of the devil.
Undo creation by making it all a lie.

Nothing is real...nothing is true.....it's all illusion.

But 'I' believe in the Creator.

So what's wrong with the only thing that IS real, the Absolute, having a bit of fun? If the Absolute is not creating anything, but merely projecting an illusion, then nothing is undone and there is no lie.

Why can't you allow for the Absolute playing a little game of Hide and Seek with itself?

 

[YmirGF]

Why can't you allow for the Absolute playing a little game of Hide and Seek with itself?

If you tried real hard do you think you could trivialize this any further?

 

[godnotgod]

If you tried real hard do you think you could trivialize this any further?

The idea must first be made palatable, a small sweetmeat for the eyes of night.

 

[YmirGF]

The idea must first be made palatable, a small sweetmeat for the eyes of night.

I shall breathlessly await the arrival of said sweetmeat, in the night or otherwise.

 

[Thief]

So what's wrong with the only thing that IS real, the Absolute, having a bit of fun? If the Absolute is not creating anything, but merely projecting an illusion, then nothing is undone and there is no lie.

Why can't you allow for the Absolute playing a little game of Hide and Seek with itself?

If there is no lie....then there is no illusion.
(illusion is a poor pespective by definition)

If 'you' claim to see well there is no illusion.
It's all real....

Now try again banging your head on the wall til it bleeds.....
Not real?....only illusion?....really?

That's not 'you' bleeding?

 

[godnotgod]

If there is no lie....then there is no illusion.
(illusion is a poor pespective by definition)

If 'you' claim to see well there is no illusion.
It's all real....

A mirage is an illusion but not a lie.

Just because you see a rope as a snake does not make it a lie.

Just because you see the universe as something other than the Absolute does not make it a lie.

Your vision may be good by ordinary standards, but you can still be fooled.

Shall we call it a 'trick of the senses'?

There is no lie; you just are in need of vision correction.

 

[Thief]

A mirage is an illusion but not a lie.

Just because you see a rope as a snake does not make it a lie.

Just because you see the universe as something other than the Absolute does not make it a lie.

Your vision may be good by ordinary standards, but you can still be fooled.

Shall we call it a 'trick of the senses'?

There is no lie; you just are in need of vision correction.

It seems you're not banging your head on the wall hard enough.

 

[atanu]

It seems you're not banging your head on the wall hard enough.

And you do not seem to realise that you are contradicting yourself. I will try.)(

It is the immortal aspect that senses pain and pleasure. Banging head and feeling pain, or even dying does not prove your point.

And that exactly is the point. When the realisation shines that the intelligent aspect is truly immortal, irrespective of its temporary contact with forms-names, it becomes freed of its attachment. It simply remains as what it is -- pure untainted immortal awareness fully made of bliss.

That is what all mystics say. But, in my understanding obtained through scripture, this freedom is attained by one in many millions.

 

[godnotgod]

I shall breathlessly await the arrival of said sweetmeat, in the night or otherwise.

Just remember to leave your soul slightly ajar in anticipation of the ecstatic moment.

What is your preference? UPS, FedEx, or Speed of Light?

 

[Thief]

And you do not seem to realise that you are contradicting yourself. I will try.)(

It is the immortal aspect that senses pain and pleasure. Banging head and feeling pain, or even dying does not prove your point.

And that exactly is the point. When the realisation shines that the intelligent aspect is truly immortal, irrespective of its temporary contact with forms-names, it becomes freed of its attachment. It simply remains as what it is -- pure untainted immortal awareness fully made of bliss.

That is what all mystics say. But, in my understanding obtained through scripture, this freedom is attained by one in many millions.

It goes much further than that......

When you die.....your awareness turns to what?......or Who....
And they can see the way you think and feel.
So I believe.

This life is a learning experience.
You take with you what you become.
They decide if they want to hang out with you.
Or leave you where your chemistry failed.

OR....
You can follow your body into the box and then into the ground.
Eternal darkness is a physical reality.
Not a philosophical idea.

When you die.....

 

[atanu]

It goes much further than that......
----
They decide if they want to hang out with you.
Or leave you where your chemistry failed.

---

Who is 'they'? If it is God that you mean, then His omnipresence cannot forsake me for even a moment.

 

[NIX]

All I know is You cannot remain You unless 'You' retain your memories and abilities. If You lose these things, then really whatever else may be so- 'You' are dead.

 

[godnotgod]

All I know is You cannot remain You unless 'You' retain your memories and abilities. If You lose these things, then really whatever else may be so- 'You' are dead.

Who were you before the attainment of those memories and abilities? Were you dead then?

 

[NIX]

Who were you before the attainment of those memories and abilities? Were you dead then?

'I' did not know the I, I also call 'Me' until I had the ability to recognize (re-cognize) (or remember) my self. 'I' certainly didn't exist to my self before that point.

 

[godnotgod]

'I' did not know the I, I also call 'Me' until I had the ability to recognize (re-cognize) (or remember) my self. 'I' certainly didn't exist to my self before that point.

Then where did the "I" that had the ability for recognition come from? It must already have been present.

 

[Thief]

Who is 'they'? If it is God that you mean, then His omnipresence cannot forsake me for even a moment.

But you CAN be forsaken.

We stand separate and unique in this life.

Not much point in generating the unique only to have such spirit crumble when the chemistry fails.

And as we stand before heaven...they have choice.

They would ask you to follow.....or leave you where you fell.
So I believe.

 

[Koldo]

Who were you before the attainment of those memories and abilities? Were you dead then?

Without our memories, our personalities, our abilities, our bodies....What's the difference between me and you?