What Happens When You Die?

[Ivan-Michael]

Again, you are adding your own twist to what I actually DID say, which was that you should open your mind so that you can hear Chopra's message, which, if you had any understanding at all, you would realize that it has nothing to do with Chopra himself. It is not his personal view; it comes from a universal place in consciousness.

Someone points to the moon, but instead of looking at the moon, you attack their pointing finger.

It's a knee-jerk thingie.

Higher Conscioiusness can cure these types of maladies.

Not his personal view?
You bet it isn't, he is having a laugh, behind your back.
He can have his Merlin and eat it, you on the other hand are left with conceptual messages without any physical proof.
Is he talking about the moon? No.
You need to learn to walk first before you attempt flying, get down to earth and bow to your sensi.

 

[godnotgod]

Not his personal view?

No. What he is referring can be verified by anyone, because everyone is made of the same substance.

You bet it isn't, he is having a laugh, behind your back.

He may be laughing behind yours.

He can have his Merlin and eat it, you on the other hand are left with conceptual messages without any physical proof.

The messages are not conceptual. They are not about an idea or model of reality, but about a real inner experience available to anyone willing to do the work to awaken.

Is he talking about the moon? No.

'Pointing to the moon' is a metaphor for pointing to reality. As I said, he points to the moon, but you attack the pointing finger.

You need to learn to walk first before you attempt flying, get down to earth and bow to your sensi.

The mystical experience is not some 'head in the clouds' fantasy, but one that brings one to heightened awareness of the here and now, so that one sees things as they are, rather than seeing them as we think they are.

 

[godnotgod]

You transfer from the realm of existence to realm of nonexistence. I have no idea what is it like. but the more you start to think what is to exist, you start to think that when we die...we will simply start to nonexist. calm down, no panic...isn't nonexistence, too, in a way existence?

Existence and non-existence are only dualistic concepts manufactured and held by the mind. There are no such 'realms'. There is only this world. We live and die in this world, in this moment.

 

[Warren Clark]

Memory is data and information stored in the brain's memory banks. It is used by consciousness when consciousness calls it forth. But consciousness itself has no memory; no history, because it dwells in the present moment, where no history, no memory are to be found.

Who you are before the body is who you have always been, and who you continue to be in this present moment, but that awareness is obscured by your immersion in Identification; that is to say, immersion in the person or character you only think yourself to be.

That which sees without thought, without memory, without history, without attachment to birth or death, is who you really are.

Most of the world is asleep in Identification, thinking they are fully awake. Spiritual awakening is the key to seeing that there is a higher state of conscious awareness, and that Identification is that which is being dreamt.

So in this sense...
I take it that ascension like that in Stargate could be possible...

very interesting.

 

[godnotgod]

So in this sense...
I take it that ascension like that in Stargate could be possible...

very interesting.

This is the best of all possible worlds, right here, right now.

Have you arrived yet?

 

[Thief]

This is the best of all possible worlds, right here, right now.

Have you arrived yet?

According to speech you've made in other threads....
'He' cannot arrive anywhere.

'He' does not exist.
There is no past, present or future...

 

[godnotgod]

According to speech you've made in other threads....
'He' cannot arrive anywhere.

'He' does not exist.
There is no past, present or future...

True. Just awaken to where you have always been. That is what I mean by 'arriving'. Like, when you awaken from a dream, you have 'arrived' without ever having left.

Now isn't that wonderful, or what?

Campeche?

 

[Thief]

True. Just awaken to where you have always been. That is what I mean by 'arriving'. Like, when you awaken from a dream, you have 'arrived' without ever having left.

Now isn't that wonderful, or what?

Campeche?

More wordplay on your part.

'You' cannot awaken if 'you' don't exist.

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

Science has no answer religion does.. so for you to confirm religion is to die..

Science has no answer as to what happens to the "soul" after death, but IMO neither has religion. In fact what makes you think religion has it own scource of knowledge where you have to be a part of that religion to access it? Religion has done a pretty lousy job over the centuries of answering life and nature's big questions, such as what causes lightning? what are the stars made of? People once believed lightning could be traced directly to the finger of God and stars were made of pure celestial material and were permanent affixed to a divine heavenly great vault.

 

[godnotgod]

More wordplay on your part.

'You' cannot awaken if 'you' don't exist.

There is no one that awakens; no 'awakener';
there is only Awakening itself.
That is why it is called 'Awakening'.

 

[atanu]

More wordplay on your part.

'You' cannot awaken if 'you' don't exist.

There is no one that awakens; no 'awakener';
there is only Awakening itself.
That is why it is called 'Awakening'.

That is a huge problem.)(

 

[godnotgod]

That is a huge problem.)(

It's sheer simplicity presents a seemingly insurmountable paradox to the thinking mind.

 

[godnotgod]

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What Is The Deeper Meaning Of Death? Ask Deepak! - YouTube

 

[Thief]

There is no one that awakens; no 'awakener';
there is only Awakening itself.
That is why it is called 'Awakening'.

There are three states of mind that can be graphed by machine.
When you are awake....when you sleep.....when you dream.

Your discussion is confusion between those items.

 

[godnotgod]

There are three states of mind that can be graphed by machine.
When you are awake....when you sleep.....when you dream.

Your discussion is confusion between those items.

That is the extent of our rationally-based knowledge. It fails to understand that when you are 'awake', you are spiritually asleep. You must awaken to another level beyond that of 'Waking Sleep'. You only THINK you are awake, in exactly the same manner as the prisoners in Plato's Cave only THINK that the shadows cast upon the cave walls represent reality.

The evidence of this is man's current state: he is going around bumping into things and creating havoc.

Again, you have been fooled!

PS: machines cannot graph whether you are spiritually awake or not.

 

[Thief]

That is the extent of our rationally-based knowledge. It fails to understand that when you are 'awake', you are spiritually asleep. You must awaken to another level beyond that of 'Waking Sleep'. You only THINK you are awake, in exactly the same manner as the prisoners in Plato's Cave only THINK that the shadows cast upon the cave walls represent reality.

The evidence of this is man's current state: he is going around bumping into things and creating havoc.

Again, you have been fooled!

PS: machines cannot graph whether you are spiritually awake or not.

Having a spirit is an isolated event.
And then you say 'I' am the fool?

really?

 

[godnotgod]

Having a spirit is an isolated event.
And then you say 'I' am the fool?

really?

Yes, if you think that the awake state as graphed by a machine is all there is to being 'awake', and that the phenomenal world represents the true state of reality. On an evidentiary level, Quantum Mechanics has shown us that all our conventional logic is now turned upside down. Haven't you been paying attention? You are being fooled by maya if you believe this world to be real.

 

[Thief]

Yes, if you think that the awake state as graphed by a machine is all there is to being 'awake', and that the phenomenal world represents the true state of reality. On an evidentiary level, Quantum Mechanics has shown us that all our conventional logic is now turned upside down. Haven't you been paying attention? You are being fooled by maya if you believe this world to be real.

So 'you' DO insist the creation is a lie!!!!!

I don't see that belief as defensible.

Preaching non-existence to the choir boy?

 

[godnotgod]

So 'you' DO insist the creation is a lie!!!!!

I don't see that belief as defensible.

Preaching non-existence to the choir boy?

Pretension is not a lie; it's a game.

God is pretending to be and play all the parts of what you think is the 'creation'.

It's called 'Hide and Seek'.

...or don't you approve?

...or are you God pretending to be Thief who is disapproving, just to hide that much more from your true nature?

 

[atanu]

So 'you' DO insist the creation is a lie!!!!!

I don't see that belief as defensible.

Preaching non-existence to the choir boy?

This merry-go-round is going on without any end in sight. I will again enquire the meaning of


He is before all things, and in him all things have being. Colossians 1.17