What Happens When You Die?

[godnotgod]

So I wonder to myself sometimes why we insist on going about, working so hard to convince others of the "truth".

I think some do it as a matter of security. That is to say, because what they call 'truth' is actually belief, a sense of insecurity persists. And so, for example, in the Christian doctrine, the blood sacrifice of the Crucifixion is not enough to convince. A further Resurrection and Ascension into heaven is needed, although these are beliefs as well. No one who holds such beliefs wants to feel alone. As Alan Watts points out:

'Christians are like men huddled in the dark, shouting to lend comfort to one another'.

The greater the number, the greater the feeling of security, or at least, that is the idea, signifying that the real spiritual point of the religious endeavor has been lost. The feel-good feeling is that I feel good when I find and associate with others who believe as I do.

And so, Christianity has embarked on a world-wide mission to convert everyone.

Then I think others are not so much on a mission to convince others of something called 'truth', but to act as a light to illuminate their paths.

In Zen, it is said that both the wordless experience and the intellectual understanding are necessary. And so, there is discussion.

 

[godnotgod]

3. Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones?

Not if you were a victim of Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and were instantly vaporized!

4. Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers.

Man is not made, but grown.

14. Nay! Man will be a witness against himself [as his body parts (skin, hands, legs, etc.) will speak about his deeds].

Ho hum...We've heard it all before...NEXT!

(Besides, they weren't MY sins!)

 

[Sha'irullah]

What happens when I die or afterwards? I just hope I get shackled to a bench and have a demon reach into my spine and yank it out, slowly of course. Afterwards I want my rib cage slowly broke open so my organs can be extracted.

Very good afterlife if you ask me. I pray tis true

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

What happens when I die or afterwards? I just hope I get shackled to a bench and have a demon reach into my spine and yank it out, slowly of course. Afterwards I want my rib cage slowly broke open so my organs can be extracted.

Very good afterlife if you ask me. I pray tis true

According to fundie Christians, that's what's going to happen to our kind anyway.

 

[godnotgod]

What happens when I die or afterwards? I just hope I get shackled to a bench and have a demon reach into my spine and yank it out, slowly of course. Afterwards I want my rib cage slowly broke open so my organs can be extracted.

Very good afterlife if you ask me. I pray tis true

No problem. Actually, no waiting. That can be arranged whenever.

As I have always said, the child state of religion is about the flesh, and Satan worship is no different. Pain. Pleasure. It's all the same experience; the same addiction.

So when you've had your fill, let us know. We will gladly direct you to the next stage in your spiritual evolution, but for now, children will play and play and play, in their Little House of Horrors with Heavenly Delight.

Bye!:seesaw:

 

[Sha'irullah]

No problem. Actually, no waiting. That can be arranged whenever.

As I have always said, the child state of religion is about the flesh, and Satan worship is no different. Pain. Pleasure. It's all the same experience; the same addiction.

Personally I have always been worried about the mind, flesh comes last which is why I hope it will be experienced after death.

So when you've had your fill, let us know. We will gladly direct you to the next stage in your spiritual evolution, but for now, children will play and play and play, in their Little House of Horrors with Heavenly Delight.

Agreed, but my evolution has hit its maximum

Bye!:seesaw:

Better not be saying bye to me until you let me on that seesaw!

 

[godnotgod]

Personally I have always been worried about the mind, flesh comes last which is why I hope it will be experienced after death.

Oh, no. Don't wait! Time is of the essence. The agony and the ecstacy await thee, right around the very next corner. Go for it!

Agreed, but my evolution has hit its maximum

Ah, just when you thought it was over, the best is yet to come. But first you need a new gettup.

Better not be saying bye to me until you let me on that seesaw!

Of course! Why, you're the other half of life's illusions. Good job!

(I was just about to call your law offices when I realized that my sins aren't mine after all!)

 

[ZooGirl02]

I believe with all of my heart that after each person dies, they go straight to Jesus where they face their Particular Judgment. After this, they either go straight to Heaven, straight to Hell, or to Purgatory to be purified and then to Heaven once they are purified of the temporal consequences of their sins. This page of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, especially paragraphs 1021 through 1037 discuss this in detail. It's a lot of information so I will only link to it:

Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 1 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 3 ARTICLE 12

On that same page you will also find information on the Last Judgment which I believe is the judgment that everyone who has ever lived, died, or who will live and die will face after Jesus returns again.

 

[psychoslice]

When you die its over, that's it, don't be greedy, just let go.

 

[godnotgod]

I believe with all of my heart that after each person dies, they go straight to Jesus where they face their Particular Judgment.

Do Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, and other non-Chrisitans also go straight to Jesus? Does the Buddha himself go straight to Jesus? Mohammed?

 

[ZooGirl02]

Do Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, and other non-Chrisitans also go straight to Jesus? Does the Buddha himself go straight to Jesus? Mohammed?

I believe that everyone of every religion goes straight to Jesus to be judged by Him after their death.

 

[godnotgod]

I believe that everyone of every religion goes straight to Jesus to be judged by Him after their death.

Why would you believe that?

 

[Thief]

Why would you believe that?

Because someone told her to.
Such is most dogmatic faith.

But to say you will never meet Him?......you will.
And He won't have an opinion to deal unto you?.....He will.

He said of Himself .....brother and fellow servant.
He never wanted a crown on His head.

That's not to say He has no judgment call to make.

He might very well lay His hand on your shoulder and say.....
'You are not my brother and fellow servant'

Then the angels might come around and escort you out the Door.

 

[godnotgod]

Because someone told her to.
Such is most dogmatic faith.

But to say you will never meet Him?......you will.
And He won't have an opinion to deal unto you?.....He will.

He said of Himself .....brother and fellow servant.
He never wanted a crown on His head.

That's not to say He has no judgment call to make.

He might very well lay His hand on your shoulder and say.....
'You are not my brother and fellow servant'

Then the angels might come around and escort you out the Door.

Why would you believe that?

 

[ZooGirl02]

Why would you believe that?

Because that is what the Catholic Church teaches and I believe it based on the Bible and Sacred Tradition.

 

[Nakosis]

And so, Christianity has embarked on a world-wide mission to convert everyone.

I've read that originally Christians did not seek to convert. Their mission was more to help those in need. I suspect they shared a common spiritual experience which the story of Jesus helped them to understand this experience. They gained acceptance not because of their religious beliefs but because of their good nature towards their fellowman. By helping others, we also help ourselves.

Then I think others are not so much on a mission to convince others of something called 'truth', but to act as a light to illuminate their paths.

In Zen, it is said that both the wordless experience and the intellectual understanding are necessary. And so, there is discussion.

Difficult when conventional thinking is to seek external confirmation. That path becomes a murky mess. A house of cards built on assumption. Conventional wisdom is to deny who we are because what we are cannot be measured, so I must not exist beyond physical illusion.

Well, I exist now. That is true. As for tomorrow and whatever comes after, we'll see.

 

[Nakosis]

I believe that everyone of every religion goes straight to Jesus to be judged by Him after their death.

Doesn't necessarily happen when you die. It happens when you are willing.
Death does not provide any answers.

You come face to face with the Word. The Word will seem separate from you but it is not. The Word will seem separate from God but it is not.

All illusion will be stripped away and you will feel lost if you are not ready. However you are in control. The choice to return to God or remain separate was given to you.

God has infinite patience and infinite love and will wait for you to choose to return. If you believe this, how could such a being do anything less?

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

What else matters?

 

[Thief]

What else matters? Let's see......
We came into this world naked....we leave the same way.
We stand from the flesh with our thoughts and feelings exposed.
We stand with the possibility that our dreams await us.....or not.

What if the spirit you really are can be seen?.....as is.
Your desire and manner obvious in the hour of your last breath.

The angelic might be there.
They might watch you struggle as you attempt to shed that carcass.

And no sooner do you get yourself free.....no.

Such manner of spirit is not allowed......swords drawn.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Because that is what the Catholic Church teaches and I believe it based on the Bible and Sacred Tradition.

The fact of the matter is...no one knows. We do know that we cease to exist as we perceive existence to be. Beyond that, "if" there is a "beyond", no one knows. Your biblical rules don't apply to me....if you feel they they do..then I can equally say my rules apply to you.....

 

[godnotgod]

I've read that originally Christians did not seek to convert. Their mission was more to help those in need. I suspect they shared a common spiritual experience which the story of Jesus helped them to understand this experience. They gained acceptance not because of their religious beliefs but because of their good nature towards their fellowman. By helping others, we also help ourselves.

That somewhat dovetails with what I have surmised from the information of early Christianity I have seen. Essentially, what happened is this: the early Christians, let us remember, were Nazarenes, who were mystics, not orthodox believers. These Nazarenes had a three-tiered teaching, of which the first tier was for initiates, and the second and third for advanced students. The initiates were not yet privy to the inner mysteries of the cult. They are the ones who broke with the original mystic Nazarenes and became the first evangelists, whose mission was to convert the pagans into the new religions. St. Paul was one of these evangelists who preached the teachings of the Romanized Jesus, which were essentially the blood sacrfificial teachings of the mystery religions of the time, such as those of Mithra. IOW, the original pure teachings of Yeshu were overwritten with those of Mithra and others AS A CLEVER MEANS OF CONVERTING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PAGANS WHO ALREADY HAD THE PROMISE OF ETERNAL LIFE IN MITHRAISM. Yeshu never taught blood sacrifice, nor bodily resurrection.

Your description of compassionate Christians fits with that of early Nazarenes, and not with the evangelist outcropping that came later.