What Happens When You Die?

[godnotgod]

*snore*

I feel so...unenlightened.

Back to a good rest...

Do you have any understanding at all about the following passage from the Tao te Ching chapter posted above:

Therefore, always desireless, you see the mystery
Ever desiring, you see the manifestations.

(I see by your signature that you are an atheist. Are you aware that, from the point of view of higher consciousness, you are none other than the divine nature, playing a cosmic game of Hide and Seek, pretending to be an atheist, who is pretending that such divine nature does not exist?)

 

[Thief]

You create your own illusions by basically saying there is a right way as opposed to a wrong way. Whenever there is argument or divisiveness such as this, there is that duality. That you are right and I am wrong mentality is yet another duality and another illusion altogether. There is neither a right way, nor is there a wrong way, there is only the Way.



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Yeah right....
Bruce Lee attempted to negate the ying and yang.
He adopted a blank circle for the symbol used at his school.

But he was never able to teach the formless 'form'.
The student needs to understand when to be soft....when to be hard.
As water is ice, or fluid, or hot or cold.....

But you cannot call water 'ice' when it boils.

You can never negate the 'flow'.

You are there...I am here.....
so forth.....and so on.

 

[Muffled]

How? I do not follow.

If we accept that Spirit is uncreated then I believe it is also possible for a separate Spirit that is uncreated toexist. I am not saying that there is but the possibility exists.

Also I believe that a creation creates a separation although there is always the connection of having a creator.

 

[Muffled]

Except that God did not give 'really good cookies'; he planted a highly delectable and irresistible, but poisonous Tree of the Forbidden Fruit that was fatal to his innocent children right smack dab in their paths, and then turns around and tells them NOt to eat of it! Of COURSE they're going to eat of it, because that is precisely what God WANTED them to do! But you don't know that, nor why, which I can explain later.

Now imagine that you put a chest in your children's room whose contents are unknown, and tell your children not to open it. What do you suppose the first thing they will do upon your leaving? This is the real point. You have piqued their curiosity which must be satisfied.

God KNEW his children would eat of the poisonous Fruit. Of this there is no question. It would be like having a voluptuous woman dancing nude in front of a teenager with raging hormones and telling him not to touch her.

So I say [the Christian] God is malevolently Evil as evinced by this infamous act.

I believe this is due to the fact that you believe death is evil. I do not. For some reasons I prefer eternal life and for other reasons I prefer a terminal life. I believe each has merit and is good.

I believe God's intentions are good.

I believe I do know that and perceive it as good.

This is not the case. They were fine with not eating it until the serpent tempted them.

I believe God knows everything.

I had some young toughs ask me whether I would be able to endure that temptation since I didn't believe in sex outside of marriage. Thankfully I haven't had to endure such a temptation. What shall I say then that the law is bad or sex is bad? No, I believe both are good and the temptation is bad. However if God knows I can endure the temptation then it is good for me to have victory over the flesh.

I believe your premise is false and therfore your conclusion is false also.

 

[Muffled]

I see. You've been to heaven and just have a mental lapse as to the experience.

If you've been to Heaven, what are you doing here?

I believe I belong here nad that Heaven is only a place of rest from the evils of this world. I am here because I am able to bear evil in order to have life. Also this is where my spirit learns to be good since it has a fallen nature. In Heaven everything is good and the spirit doesn't learn anything.

Now my wife who I believe I met in Heaven stayed there for a very long time because she can't stand evil and only came to life on earth for my sake. However all the foibles that she never resolved returned to her here and I am not sure she is learning much but I am trying to help her. Right now she longs to return to Heaven where everything is beautiful all the time.

 

[godnotgod]

Originally Posted by godnotgod
Except that God did not give 'really good cookies'; he planted a highly delectable and irresistible, but poisonous Tree of the Forbidden Fruit that was fatal to his innocent children right smack dab in their paths, and then turns around and tells them NOt to eat of it! Of COURSE they're going to eat of it, because that is precisely what God WANTED them to do! But you don't know that, nor why, which I can explain later.

Now imagine that you put a chest in your children's room whose contents are unknown, and tell your children not to open it. What do you suppose the first thing they will do upon your leaving? This is the real point. You have piqued their curiosity which must be satisfied.

God KNEW his children would eat of the poisonous Fruit. Of this there is no question. It would be like having a voluptuous woman dancing nude in front of a teenager with raging hormones and telling him not to touch her.

So I say [the Christian] God is malevolently Evil as evinced by this infamous act.

I believe this is due to the fact that you believe death is evil. I do not.

No.I in no way think death is evil. But God apparently thought the Fruit was fatal, because he told them they would die if they touched or ate of it:

And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’”

Turned out God lied, because they did NOT die.

I believe God's intentions are good.

Is it a good intention to deliberately and knowingly place a poisonous fruit tree in children's path?

I believe I do know that and perceive it as good.

I don't think you know what I am referring to, which is that God wanted A&E to eat of the Fruit, because the Fruit is a symbol of Divine Union, and NOT sin and separation as the corrupted story you are used to says it is. Divine Union is good; banishment from Paradise is not so good.

This is not the case. They were fine with not eating it until the serpent tempted them.

If they were fine with not eating it, why did God have to tell them NOT to eat of it? Obviously there would have been some attraction to it had God not wagged his finger. I think what you're failing to understand is that God made a point of it in order to set up a piece de resistance, and then reappears to them as a serpent to insure that they eat of it. Unless God had pointed it out, how could they know they were not supposed to eat of it? No. God was steering them to the Fruit, knowing full well they would eat of it, simply because that is what he wanted them to do.

I believe God knows everything.

If God knows everything, why would such a God create the very conditions for disobedience and separation? God must be some sort of idiot! On top of that, he is an evil, malevolent, and sinister idiot!

I had some young toughs ask me whether I would be able to endure that temptation since I didn't believe in sex outside of marriage. Thankfully I haven't had to endure such a temptation. What shall I say then that the law is bad or sex is bad? No, I believe both are good and the temptation is bad. However if God knows I can endure the temptation then it is good for me to have victory over the flesh.

This argument does not apply. A&E were in PARADISE. There is nothing to have 'victory' over. Don't you see? Because the story is corrupted in the first place, Christians have to create all sorts of rationalizations and props to make the story work to fit the Christian doctrine of Good vs. Evil; Jesus vs. Satan; Heaven vs. Hell, Spirit vs. Flesh, etc. This dual thinking is how MAN'S mind works; not that of the divine nature. Genesis is simply a projection by man over the divine nature. But the orthodox story has been corrupted by the priests as a means of controlling their congregations through fear of Hell, allowing them to receive payment to intercede for their 'sins'.

I believe your premise is false and therfore your conclusion is false also.

Of course you do, because you buy into the corrupted account, which puts forth a system of Reward and Punishment. You want Reward, and abhor Punishment, thereby sculpting a moral behavior pattern of Good vs. Evil, a system of conflict rather than harmony.

The corrupted account is a story of disobedience and separation from God.

The original version I present is one of obedience and union with God.

How can that be false?

 

[godnotgod]

I believe I belong here nad that Heaven is only a place of rest from the evils of this world. I am here because I am able to bear evil in order to have life. Also this is where my spirit learns to be good since it has a fallen nature. In Heaven everything is good and the spirit doesn't learn anything.

Now my wife who I believe I met in Heaven stayed there for a very long time because she can't stand evil and only came to life on earth for my sake. However all the foibles that she never resolved returned to her here and I am not sure she is learning much but I am trying to help her. Right now she longs to return to Heaven where everything is beautiful all the time.

Well, don't look now, but Evil lurks in Heaven. We know that because the angel Lucifer was directed by it before being driven from Heaven.

Can you tell me what you think the most heinously Evil act might be?

 

[godnotgod]

Bruce Lee attempted to negate the ying and yang.
He adopted a blank circle for the symbol used at his school.

Exactly the opposite is true. Yours is a gross misunderstanding:

There was no concept that was more important to Bruce Lee than that of Yin and Yang. To Lee, this was a principle that underlined the very structure of gung fu, and was something that a gung fu man should try to incorporate into their lives. It is a principle that was derived from Lee's study of Taoism, and it is one that is very influential in Eastern life and culture. In order to understand the importance of this simple yet powerful concept, we must examine it fully as Bruce Lee did many years ago.

Bruce Lee believed that if one can master the art of Yin and Yang, one can live in balance with the universe. It is the Way of martial art, the Way of life, and the Way of all things. Practice this concept and you can achieve a power that is unlike anything else in the world, the power of living in harmony.

Bruce Lee: The Power of Yin and Yang - National Bruce Lee | Examiner.com

I have found no such 'blank circle' that Bruce Lee used as a symbol for his teaching. The only thing I can think of you are referring to is his idea of "Using no way as way" & "Having no limitation as limitation".

In the East, a 'blank circle' might be the symbol for Emptiness, out of which both Yin and Yang emerge.

 

[Runewolf1973]

...But he was never able to teach the formless 'form'.

Perhaps even Bruce Lee understood that the formless 'form' is something which cannot BE taught. It can only be realized once one reaches that level of inner balance and mastery of the Yin Yang.

 

[atanu]

The 'differences' are superficial; ...y.

Yes and No. One will feel pain, if punched on nose. That is evident reality which cannot be thrown away or glossed over. A table and a chair both are essentially wood but they serve different purposes.

The Vedanta unerstanding is: Whatever notion abides in Consciousness is True, since Consciousness is True.
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Instead of throwing away the "I", Shri Shankaracharya put it to a good use. He asked us to enquire "Whence the I?"

Like a notion that a MS Word version installed in a PC is property of that PC is a wrong notion, the ownership of "I" by a inert body is also a wrong notion. But the rise of Self awareness is evident truth. Even in deep sleep the aware person exists, else, on waking no one would remember the blissful sleep. Investigating the form and nature of Consciousness in deep sleep provides us clue as to its nature.

The goal (and the practise) consists of attaining the deep sleep state while fully awake. This is called samAdhi and there is no loss of Awareness of Self in this. What is lost is the notion that "I" is the prpoerty of an inert localised body.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes and No. One will feel pain, if punched on nose. That is evident reality which cannot be thrown away or glossed over. A table and a chair both are essentially wood but they serve different purposes.

The Vedanta unerstanding is: Whatever notion abides in Consciousness is True, since Consciousness is True.
...................

Instead of throwing away the "I", Shri Shankaracharya put it to a good use. He asked us to enquire "Whence the I?"

Like a notion that a MS Word version installed in a PC is property of that PC is a wrong notion, the ownership of "I" by a inert body is also a wrong notion. But the rise of Self awareness is evident truth. Even in deep sleep the aware person exists, else, on waking no one would remember the blissful sleep. Investigating the form and nature of Consciousness in deep sleep provides us clue as to its nature.

The goal (and the practise) consists of attaining the deep sleep state while fully awake. This is called samAdhi and there is no loss of Awareness of Self in this. What is lost is the notion that "I" is the prpoerty of an inert localised body.

I acknowledge that there are differences, but compared to Brahman, they are still superficial. Form and pain are temporal, but Brahman is eternal, beyond form, beyond pain and pleasure.

 

[Thief]

Exactly the opposite is true. Yours is a gross misunderstanding:

There was no concept that was more important to Bruce Lee than that of Yin and Yang. To Lee, this was a principle that underlined the very structure of gung fu, and was something that a gung fu man should try to incorporate into their lives. It is a principle that was derived from Lee's study of Taoism, and it is one that is very influential in Eastern life and culture. In order to understand the importance of this simple yet powerful concept, we must examine it fully as Bruce Lee did many years ago.

Bruce Lee believed that if one can master the art of Yin and Yang, one can live in balance with the universe. It is the Way of martial art, the Way of life, and the Way of all things. Practice this concept and you can achieve a power that is unlike anything else in the world, the power of living in harmony.

Bruce Lee: The Power of Yin and Yang - National Bruce Lee | Examiner.com

I have found no such 'blank circle' that Bruce Lee used as a symbol for his teaching. The only thing I can think of you are referring to is his idea of "Using no way as way" & "Having no limitation as limitation".

In the East, a 'blank circle' might be the symbol for Emptiness, out of which both Yin and Yang emerge.

Black belt here!
I bought the book....his autobiography.
I got the picture.

 

[godnotgod]

Black belt here!
I bought the book....his autobiography.
I got the picture.

Did you? So why do you fail to understand the inter-relationship of Yin and Yang, seeing them as two in opposition rather than as One in harmony?

 

[Runewolf1973]

Did you? So why do you fail to understand the inter-relationship of Yin and Yang, seeing them as two in opposition rather than as One in harmony?

Harmony is the perfect word. That harmony IS that interaction, that inter-relationship. It IS that Oneness.

 

[Thief]

Harmony is the perfect word. That harmony IS that interaction, that inter-relationship. It IS that Oneness.

Harmony?...this world or the next?

We know war in this world.
I've heard of war in the next.

Angels are displayed with sword in hand.

 

[Thief]

Did you? So why do you fail to understand the inter-relationship of Yin and Yang, seeing them as two in opposition rather than as One in harmony?

No fail on my part.
Note my previous post.

 

[Willamena]

I acknowledge that there are differences, but compared to Brahman, they are still superficial. Form and pain are temporal, but Brahman is eternal, beyond form, beyond pain and pleasure.

You can't compare to Brahman... what is it you're comparing?

 

[Willamena]

What Happens When You Die?

Decay.

In so many ways.

 

[Thief]

Decay.

In so many ways.

NOT in spirit.

Otherwise God is dead.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Decay.

In so many ways.

Continual interaction.