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What if Jesus was the antichrist?

OGMIOS6666

Member
You see that is meaningless, this is what they wrote about him,I mean cnn was not present when he fed the five thousand?? Man has been lying since the dawn of time, he is an ingrate creature, he likes to hoard all the wealth for himself, and does not like to give to the poor and needy.
 

Humanistheart

Well-Known Member
You see that is meaningless, this is what they wrote about him,I mean cnn was not present when he fed the five thousand?? Man has been lying since the dawn of time, he is an ingrate creature, he likes to hoard all the wealth for himself, and does not like to give to the poor and needy.

Again, you have faith not fact, which is fine. That is unless you wish to offer a reason to not consider jesus an anti-christ. You are right in that the bible is not free from error, and does not contain actual history though. And yes, people lie. Are you calling the gospel writers liers? If so, what lies are you reffering to and how does that decry the jesus as anti-christ conundrum?

It stands as is, jesus was an anti-christ.
 
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OGMIOS6666

Member
Oh I understand, you want me to dig out all the research and thesis that I have carried out all these years starting from the Berkshire and polo days?
How about I speak with facts and faith, will that impose you?
 

Humanistheart

Well-Known Member
Oh I understand, you want me to dig out all the research and thesis that I have carried out all these years starting from the Berkshire and polo days? How about I speak with facts...

The relevant facts will do. Also you didn't answer the question's possed in my previous post.
 
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OGMIOS6666

Member
ummm... I see so you are one of those creatures who only wish to beleive in what they see from their eyes?? Tell me do you remember your first creation?
 

Humanistheart

Well-Known Member
ummm... I see so you are one of those creatures who only wish to beleive in what they see from their eyes?? Tell me do you remember your first creation?

What happened to those facts you promised? And perhaps you'd like to answer the still ignored questions asked to you previously.
 

OGMIOS6666

Member
Why are you in such a rush, I have just arrived,in time the truth will be revealed to all concerning the disinformation they have about Jesus christ superstar. I think the best proof in the pudding will be when he will descend upon mankind and fight the Antichrist. It is then his followers will wake up to the truth.

There are many scriptures and doctrines which say correct things about him,and then are scriptures also which have invented falsehood about him. May I enquire as to what proof are you looking for that Jesus is the Anti-christ.
If I reveal the manifest truth,I am certain the Moderators will Ban be permanently, therefore I would like to be very cautious with the words i utter from my mouth.
 

Humanistheart

Well-Known Member
Alright, seeing as you're unfamiliar with the messianic prophicies and what would be required of one before being called a christ, I'll explain (also perhaps this will help with the utter lack of intellectual conversation on this thread).

Messiah (keep in mind messiah and christ mean the same thing and are interchangable) means annointed one, specifically, an anointment into the service of god using prepared holy oils. (see Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3, etc). Jesus was never annointed, yet people call him a word that means annointed, mostly out of ingorance.

The future messiah described in the prophicies was to be of the line of david, on the fathers side. Jesus had no earthly father so that's out (and we do not have mary's lineage so even if that could be counted there's no reason to think she was of the royal line). (Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1).

The messiah is to bring all jews back to their land of Isreal. (Isaiah 43:5-6). Not only did jesus not do this, but in fact christian nations across the world have mistreated and abused the jewish people for centuries, culminating in the holocaust of WW2, so if anything jesus's legacy was to do the opposite.

The messiah is to usher in a golden age of peace that would spread across the world(Isaiah 2:4). Again, jesus did not do that. In fact his own words suggest the opposite, as he flat out said he did not come to bring peace but a sword (a metaphorical sword perhaps, but the message that he would not bring peace was clear). And again, his followers, christians, have the dubious honor of being the most blood soaked religion ever to curse this world. So again, jesus's legacy has been the opposite of what the messiah's was to be.

The messiah is to bring the world to the truth of god, so that all as one would see him as lord(Zechariah 14:9). Yet because of jesus a new version of the god of abraham was born, a trinity of gods combined into one. And there are numerious offshoot religions that have tacken this further, and changed the concept of god even more from it's original, such as mormonism or the bahai. This is hardly a unity as to the truth of this god now is it? At any rate the point is that yet again jesus fails the test of the messiah.

The messiah was also to build the 3rd temple, yet this was not done either. (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

Also, as the leader of isreal, the messiah was to guide the people through proper observance of Torah, yet jesus repeatedly changed or ignored torah. In Deut. 13:1-4 we see that this alone is enough to identify the man as a false prophet.

So you see jesus in no way qualified as a messiah, and in most ways was the opposite or anti-messiah. It is therefore entirely apt to describe this character as an anti-christ.

Not so much thee anti christ as an anti-christ. And yes the proof is in the pudding that he's a false messiah. Besides the gospels themselves which make it clear jesus was the opposite of what the christ was to be, there's europe vs the us. Europe, a net work of countries now with much less religious zeal that the us, has a lower crime rate, higher economy, and higher life satisfaction ratings than it's christian counterpart the US. Where ever there is christianity there will be unnessary prejudice, crime, and poverty.

At any rate, I'm still waiting on those facts you promised. Do you have anything to discredit the jesus as anti-christ cenario?
 

OGMIOS6666

Member
In time all will be revealed, well i know why you are feeling in this manner, the doctrines that you have studied have been written by human hands, that is why there is a flood of confusion to the manifest truth.
 

OGMIOS6666

Member
All the so called books of god have all be revised and changed for centuries so that the reins of power is controled by a few,that is why in the world we have so many theories and claims as to the evident truth, if you all knew the truth, then I can assure you all with certainty of sight that the life of the world would have been alovely place to dwell in.
 

Rogue Cardinal

Devil's Advocate
You see that is meaningless, this is what they wrote about him,I mean cnn was not present when he fed the five thousand?? Man has been lying since the dawn of time, he is an ingrate creature, he likes to hoard all the wealth for himself, and does not like to give to the poor and needy.
Here's the issue with this statement. You contend that men are liars. Who wrote the bible? IS it not possible then that they lied?

Are you aware that there are parts of the bible that ARE documented forgeries? Things added on much later by the church? And they are in your bible. Who is to say that early versions didn't suffer from the same treatment.

Are you aware that if you put the Easter Sunday stories in chronological order that the first two tellings of the story do not have a bodily ascension? Does that mean that LATER man lied and added it so that Jesus might appear to be divine instead of just a dude?
 

Rogue Cardinal

Devil's Advocate
All the so called books of god have all be revised and changed for centuries so that the reins of power is controled by a few,that is why in the world we have so many theories and claims as to the evident truth, if you all knew the truth, then I can assure you all with certainty of sight that the life of the world would have been alovely place to dwell in.
How can you acknowledge that all you have ever known about God and Jesus are written in a book that is beyond flawed and then point out in the same breathe that the story is true? Is that faith or twisted logic?
 

OGMIOS6666

Member
Well the answer to that is but a simple one, i do not follow the doctrines that you have mentioned, I follow only the truth and the light.
 

OGMIOS6666

Member
A heretic? you amuse me, not at all I have so much support I do not know when to start, it will knock you all out. For mankind is indeed obstinate in his ways is he not?
 

OGMIOS6666

Member
Do you truly think I have come to you without a reason? surely the bitterness in your heart and your resentment has led you to lead a life in which you walk in the world to and fro aimlessly. In a while you will come to know and you will wish again and again that you had listened to the words of a man who ask no wages of you.
 

Rogue Cardinal

Devil's Advocate
Do you truly think I have come to you without a reason? surely the bitterness in your heart and your resentment has led you to lead a life in which you walk in the world to and fro aimlessly. In a while you will come to know and you will wish again and again that you had listened to the words of a man who ask no wages of you.
OR perhaps it is I that have been sent to you for a deeper reason than you can currently comprehend.

For you see I have no bitterness in my heart. My life is rich and full. It has deep meaning and purpose and all is accomplished successfully without any form of religion. Perhaps it is you that will full understand that whence you came is not where you will end up and perhaps you shall become enlightened to a great truth than you even suspect.
 

OGMIOS6666

Member
Indeed , you are nearly there it is just that you have been led astray, but in a while you will learn the true reality, and it is then you will stoop your neck in humilty and wished you were indeed dust.
 
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