What IF McCain Wins? What Will You Do?

[Father Heathen]

Now if someone kills Barrack and he comes back to life

...after three days?

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes, I feel that McCain is a better representative of Christian values

There is more to Christianity than merely opposing women's and gay rights, like Jesus' teachings. You know, the guy your religion is based off of. He valued peace, compassion for the poor, etc.

 

[Reverend Rick]

There is more to Christianity than mere opposing women's and gay rights, like Jesus' teachings. You know, the guy your religion is based off of. He valued peace, compassion for the poor, etc.

FH, I like to give to the poor of my own decision. To much that is given, much is expected. When I start telling you how to spend your money, that is where I step over the line.

I just happen to believe the private sector can do a better job of feeding the poor than the government. It is not the responsibility of government to take from some and give to others.

 

[dawny0826]

There is more to Christianity than merely opposing women's and gay rights, like Jesus' teachings. You know, the guy your religion is based off of. He valued peace, compassion for the poor, etc.

Above my sexuality, my wants, my desires, I submit to something greater than myself. It doesn't mean that I don't want happiness for people and that I don't love others. I don't live my life under the belief system that life is about you, me, everyone...the collective "us".

I don't expect you to understand that. I struggle everyday. It's rarely easy to let go of what I want and how I think the world should work.

But I don't leave my beliefs at the door when I leave home to go to work in the morning. And I believe wholeheartedly, that when I love others, I'm fulfilling Christ's law, to the fullest. This is what I live by.

I can reconcile being Christian and voting conservatively.

 

[Father Heathen]

FH, I like to give to the poor of my own decision. To much that is given, much is expected. When I start telling you how to spend your money, that is where I step over the line.

I just happen to believe the private sector can do a better job of feeding the poor than the government. It is not the responsibility of government to take from some and give to others.

Okay, but what about all the peace, forgiveness, turn the other cheek, love they neighbor, judge not, etc. stuff Jesus preached? I don't agree with all of that, but I'm not a Christian either. Doesn't the Iraq war fly in the face of what Jesus taught?

 

[lilithu]

I just happen to believe the private sector can do a better job of feeding the poor than the government. It is not the responsibility of government to take from some and give to others.

Right, private sector has shown that they do such a great job of caring for those in need.


It is exactly the responsibility of govt to take from ALL, each according to what they can give, and to distribute to ALL, each according to their needs. Ya know, "country first"?! What galled me about the GOP claiming that slogan is that their actual platform is "Me first."

Govt is not the enemy. Govt is of the people, by the people, for the people. Some Republican said that.... who was it? hmmm.....

 

[Father Heathen]

Above my sexuality, my wants, my desires, I submit to something greater than myself. It doesn't mean that I don't want happiness for people and that I don't love others. I don't live my life under the belief system that life is about you, me, everyone...the collective "us".

I don't expect you to understand that. I struggle everyday. It's rarely easy to let go of what I want and how I think the world should work.

But I don't leave my beliefs at the door when I leave home to go to work in the morning. And I believe wholeheartedly, that when I love others, I'm fulfilling Christ's law, to the fullest. This is what I live by.

I can reconcile being Christian and voting conservatively.

So do you see your bisexuality as something to be repressed for your faith's sake, or do you assume god allows you that exception?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Okay, but what about all the peace, forgiveness, turn the other cheek, love they neighbor, judge not, etc. stuff Jesus preached? I don't agree with all of that, but I'm not a Christian either. Doesn't the Iraq war fly in the face of what Jesus taught?

I'm all about reserving judgement, turning the other cheek and loving my neighbor. Peace on earth and good will to man is high on the list as well.

I know what you mean about Iraq FH. I square it by understanding the difference between killing and murder.

 

[dawny0826]

So do you see your bisexuality as something to be repressed for your faith's sake, or do you assume god allows you that exception?

Edited to a shorter answer:

I do not repress the fact that I am bi-sexual but I do not act upon certain desires because I cannot spiritually/biblically justify certain actions.

 

[lilithu]

I know what you mean about Iraq FH. I square it by understanding the difference between killing and murder.

Yes, there is a difference between killing and murder.

Killing is what our soldiers are doing to Iraqis because they have to. Murder is what Bush and his cabinet committed by sending our soldiers over there to either kill or be killed.

 

[doppelganger]

Edited to a shorter answer:

I do not repress the fact that I am bi-sexual but I do not act upon certain desires because I cannot spiritually/biblically justify certain actions.

You can appreciate though, that justifying meddling in government to impose those values on others who don't share your subjective beliefs opens your faith claims up to critique and potentially even ridicule as a reasonably foreseeable result?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

I just happen to believe the private sector can do a better job of feeding the poor than the government. It is not the responsibility of government to take from some and give to others.

What makes you think that the private sector can do a better job of feeding the poor, when there are people going hungry now. The government is doing the heavy lifting, and even with that effort, the private sector isn't getting the job done.

 

[Storm]

What makes you think that the private sector can do a better job of feeding the poor, when there are people going hungry now. The government is doing the heavy lifting, and even with that effort, the private sector isn't getting the job done.

The private sector must be crippled by the government stealing all that hard-earned money from the likes of Paris Hilton. :sarcastic

 

[Napoleon]

On second thought, I think I'll actually see some flying pigs on the 5th.

 

[dawny0826]

You can appreciate though, that justifying meddling in government to impose those values on others who don't share your subjective beliefs opens your faith claims up to critique and potentially even ridicule as a reasonably foreseeable result?

I understand why people of my faith are ridiculed. I also see a double standard, here.

 

[doppelganger]

I understand why people of my faith are ridiculed. I also see a double standard, here.

Tell me what you think is the double standard.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

On second thought, I think I'll actually see some flying pigs on the 5th.

I smell bacon frying on the 4th.

 

[lilithu]

Tell me what you think is the double standard.

I don't know about a double standard per se, but in all honesty, I do not understand why several people here have jumped on Dawny for her post, which simply stated her position, which she has a right to, and was very polite and non-offensive.

 

[Apex]

I don't know about a double standard per se, but in all honesty, I do not understand why several people here have jumped on Dawny for her post, which simply stated her position, which she has a right to, and was very polite and non-offensive.

I was thinking the same thing. She posted a fairly mild and respective post, and then gets attacked for it?

 

[doppelganger]

I don't know about a double standard per se, but in all honesty, I do not understand why several people here have jumped on Dawny for her post, which simply stated her position, which she has a right to, and was very polite and non-offensive.

She wants politicians to represent her religious beliefs and values in office. I think her beliefs and values and what she wants elected leaders to do about them becomes entirely fair game when she makes her decisions on that basis.