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What if there was no Holy Bible at all?

Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
The Holy Bottom Burp said:
Right, so it is not correct to say that Christians are not bound by the Torah correct? Tell that to a JW. Religion is splendidly vague!
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They appeared to just take that one mitzvah and just that one, and I'm not really sure why. So no, they aren't bound by Torah.
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
newone said:
We are told by God that not every faith is "true"...

2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works.
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So you think the Bible proves that your faith is the "true" faith and God is on your side? Well there's an original argument. . .
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
@The Holy Bottom Burp this is what Paul said about Torah and Jesus:

For freedom Christ has set us free. Stand firm, therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Listen! I, Paul, am telling you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. Once again I testify to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obliged to obey the entire law. You who want to be justified by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; the only thing that counts is faith working through love. - Galatians 5:1-6.

So in other words, he's assuming from the off that they are not bound by Torah. And that it should stay so.
 
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newone

Member
Jeremiahcp said:
So you think the Bible proves that your faith is the "true" faith and God is on your side? Well there's an original argument. . .
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There are many religions around....the Word of God helps us to find the true religion. If we got it wrong at the end then so be it, at least we made an effort:)
 
The Holy Bottom Burp

The Holy Bottom Burp

Active Member
Rival said:
@The Holy Bottom Burp this is what Paul said about Torah and Jesus:

For freedom Christ has set us free. Stand firm, therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Listen! I, Paul, am telling you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. Once again I testify to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obliged to obey the entire law. You who want to be justified by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything; the only thing that counts is faith working through love. - Galatians 5:1-6.

So in other words, he's assuming from the off that they are not bound by Torah. And that it should stay so.
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I shall let you fight that one out with the JWs Rival, I'm an atheist.
 
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
newone said:
There are many religions around....the Word of God helps us to find the true religion. If we got i wrong at the end then so be it, at least we made an effort:)
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Everyone claims they have the "true" faith, and they always claim God is on their side and the Bible proves them right, but such a judgment is not yours to pass. Such a boast is just your pride, as only God can make such a judgment.
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
The Holy Bottom Burp said:
JWs may say you are "way out there" as a Noahide gal, personally I think you are both "way out there" . ;)
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As an atheist, I think you are way out there :eek:

Will the real Slim Shady please stand up? I guess there's a Slim Shady in all of us. F*ck it. Let's all stand up. ;)
 
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newone

Member
Jeremiahcp said:
Everyone claims they have the "true" faith, and they always claim God is on their side and the Bible proves them right, but such a judgment is not yours to pass. Such a boast is just your pride, as only God can make such a judgment.
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Yes i think most religions think they are the true faith. The bible can prove to me where the true faith is, but i never said everyone else is doomed - you said it.
 
The Holy Bottom Burp

The Holy Bottom Burp

Active Member
Rival said:
As an atheist, I think you are way out there :eek:

Will the real Slim Shady please stand up? Maybe there's a Slim Shady in all of us. F*ck it. Let's all stand up. ;)
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Damn Rival, don't go quoting contemporary references at me, I'm a middle aged man, have some sympathy! Having Googled it you appear to be accusing me of being the victim of contemporary "contrived" thinking? Cant disagree with you more, doubters have always been around. The doubters are in charge of the world Rival! Hooray for the doubters! :)
 
Rival

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
The Holy Bottom Burp said:
Having Googled it you appear to be accusing me of being the victim of contemporary "contrived" thinking? Cant disagree with you more, doubters have always been around. The doubters are in charge of the world Rival! Hooray for the doubters! :)
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No idea where you took this from lmao.
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Nowhere Man said:
Would Christianity have had survived or been remembered as an instututed religion if no Holy Bible ever was made?

My personal answer is definitely not. As it's a religion based solely upon its literature, and its solvency remains dependent on the continuation of its distribution of literature. Things like oral tradition can only carry things so far.

It's a critical reason why I don't believe in a central guiding force or dieity like Jehovah, Jesus, Mary, or angels and whatnot directing and preserving any religion that thinks it's deification is the sole foundation by which it survives, grows, and spreads. It's simply not. It's books and physical record that are essential by which a religion is recognized and preserved. Theistic or not.

I've been thinking about literary dependency and it's apparently true for any religion out there to remain established and relevant for the long term it requires it's books or any form of written record.

Without them, no instituted religion will survive.

Agree, disagree?
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Wouldn't be much to swear on.
 
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