An interesting thought here is that Jesus was praying through His annointed own true self, Christ.Issac newton, far from being an atheist stated, "The trinity is theological gibberish.' Jesus in the garden was not praying to Himself
Regards Tony
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An interesting thought here is that Jesus was praying through His annointed own true self, Christ.Issac newton, far from being an atheist stated, "The trinity is theological gibberish.' Jesus in the garden was not praying to Himself
That is a unique intepretation i never heard before, unsure what church teachs thatAn interesting thought here is that Jesus was praying through His annointed own true self, Christ.
Regards Tony
me thinks it odd for you to say that as Jesus knew who to worshipAn interesting thought here is that Jesus was praying through His anointed own true self, Christ.
Regards Tony
I always consider that No Soul dies, it is a state of being that can exist in this matrix, all death is just spiritual ignorance and can be carried over to the next world. The brain is not the source of our consciousness and our consciousness does not die, both spiritually aware and unaware peoples.I meant to address this earlier but today has been a very busy day, more than my usual busy days.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
You said: The dead here, are the spiritually dead, they know nothing, but the spiritually aware, know of the first death and of the 2nd death.
As I have told @cataway before, I believe that this verse is referring to dead bodies, not spiritually dead souls.
Living bodies know that they will die, but dead bodies know nothing because their body is dead so they no longer have a brain to know anything.
It is my understanding of what the scriptures offer in light if what is offered in the Baha'i Writings.That is a unique intepretation i never heard before, unsure what church teachs that
This is not disputed, it is about how our prayers, which is a product of our rational mind are directed to God.me thinks it odd for you to say that as Jesus knew who to worship
Luke 4:8
In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
at what point does a person receive spirit ?? it is when the sperm from a man unites with the egg of a woman .she nurtures that life . that spark of life came from a man as an act of procreation.I always consider that No Soul dies, it is a state of being that can exist in this matrix, all death is just spiritual ignorance and can be carried over to the next world. The brain is not the source of our consciousness and our consciousness does not die, both spiritually aware and unaware peoples.
So who are the living, as both spiritually aware and spiritually unaware are both now "Living", the dead must then be the spiritually unaware.
So then I read that verse
Ecclesiastes 9:5 "For the living know that they will die", the spiritually aware know of spiritual death, the warnings are many in all scriptures about what is true life.
"but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten", the spiritually dead do not know they are already dead, they are not part of the living.
In the end Trailblazer, no need to argue about this, God bless always.
Regards Tony
The spirit (soul) is the person.at what point does a person receive spirit ?? it is when the sperm from a man unites with the egg of a woman .she nurtures that life . that spark of life came from a man as an act of procreation.
where was the spirit before conception? what happened to all the other sperm that carried that spark of life ?
yep and after a person does die ,they no longer exist . the spirit ,that spark / life force ,in them ceased to exist.The spirit (soul) is the person.
A spirit (soul) becomes a person at the time of conception, when the sperm from a man unites with the egg of a woman.
Before conception that person (spirit/soul) did not exist.
None of the other sperm became a person since they did not unite with any eggs.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.yep and after a person does die ,they no longer exist . the spirit ,that spark / life force ,in them ceased to exist.
even as a flame on a candle ceases to exist when its snuffed out.
@catawayThe spirit (soul) is the person.
A spirit (soul) becomes a person at the time of conception, when the sperm from a man unites with the egg of a woman.
Before conception that person (spirit/soul) did not exist.
None of the other sperm became a person since they did not unite with any eggs.
you are a soul ,right now a living soul . dead ,you would be a dead soul. living is better .
The soul does not die, this body will. That is why Jesus said you must be born again, born from the flesh into the Holy Spirit, which is eternal.you are a soul ,right now a living soul . dead ,you would be a dead soul. living is better .
The soul cannot die because it is immortal.you are a soul ,right now a living soul . dead ,you would be a dead soul. living is better .
thats not why jesus said you must be born again. look at it this way ,born means to start . to be born again means to start over . to learn the new things needed to live on into the future . things are going to be different when the kingdom takes over. yes you need to be born againThe soul does not die, this body will. That is why Jesus said you must be born again, born from the flesh into the Holy Spirit, which is eternal.
Death in regards to the soul is relative. Faith is life, lack of faith is death, so we can be either alive or dead, while alive in the body.
One can not tell what the next life experiences will be for those that are alive and dead, but it is has been compared to a rock and an eagle in this world, what would you rather be, a rock or an eagle?
Regards Tony
not one soul on this earth is immortal.The soul cannot die because it is immortal.
You are a soul, right now a living soul who is living on earth. Dead, you would be a living soul who is living in heaven.
Nobody knows what heaven will be like but I believe living in heaven will be much better than living on earth.
This is the 2nd death.not one soul on this earth is immortal.
Ezekiel 18:4
.......... The soul who sins is the one who will die.
No Christian is born confirmed in faith, it is a choice to make from the age of maturity.thats not why jesus said you must be born again. look at it this way ,born means to start . to be born again means to start over . to learn the new things needed to live on into the future . things are going to be different when the kingdom takes over. yes you need to be born again
no that would be the first death ,yet for some it could be the first and the lastThis is the 2nd death.
Regards Tony