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What if we accepted each others Religion?

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
The messiah per Jews will rule the world. Muslims agree with the definition of Jews, but say Jesus (a) will return and rule with the Mahdi (a) and say he didn't die.

You are using your definitions and imposing them on the discussion. You aren't proving them. They should be conclusions you are proving, but you are using them to assert the same conclusion. So it's circular. Full circle.
So, if you were a Jew, expecting the Messiah. Then they told you Jesus is Messiah, but didnt fulfill the Prophecies that He was supposed to. Instead He will return later and fulfill them later, you believe? Why would you?
Where in Jewish Prophecies says, Messiah does not fulfill in the first coming, but will retunr, and in the second time will fulfill?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
You’re entitled to believe that but Baha’is are very serious about Baha’u’llah being the Promised One of all religions. Not a ploy or tactic or word games. Other religions as I pointed out say the same. I said it was all nonsense 50 years ago until I looked into it deeply. So I understand your skepticism and I believe it’s good you are suspicious because these kinds of claims need to be put through the fire not just blindly accepted.
I am sure you are serious. And I am sure that such sincere and serious beliefs will continue to cause eternal strife and suffering and will NEVER lead to peace or unity...(other than by force). You see it has happened before also
Christians claimed to be fulfillment of Judaic messianic prophecy and see how much strife that created and continues to create.
Islam...ditto vis a vis both Christianity and Judaism.
Now Bahai are there, Mormons, Ahmedia etc.
Same template...same result.

As MahaKachcha (disciple of Buddha) said when asked about this:-
“Why is it, Master Kaccāna, that ascetics fight with ascetics?”
“It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.” (AN 2: iv, 6, abridged; I 66)
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Then let's start eliminating Buddhism and Hinduism as religions that need to change. Just say Islam and Christianity rather than all previous religions, or the big 8. Some other Baha'i here have already done that.
It’s not my call it’s God’s Who is the Lord of all religions. It’s for Him not me to decide those things. God does as He pleases and He has the wisdom to know what is best for all mankind.
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
This does not prove Bahais are wrong. But it shows every claim of x Prophet it does not matter if newer or older, we should investigate and see if they are true Prophet.

I believe @TransmutingSoul saw that the Maitreya was once an Atheist and could not accept. But going by what @InvestigateTruth of God tesing his creation and change his ways from the past, why not? Why not try us by a former atheist as a Prophet!

When pressed about Ahlulbayt and Twelve Imams and that be a constant Sunna of God and no blood relation between Bab and Baha'allah, it was stated God changed it up for whatever reasons. Why can't God change it up and have a Prophet be a former atheist?
Because Firstly this person did not bring any new Revelation and Laws from God. The purpose of Manifestations of God, is to bring a new Revelation. They abrogate previous Law, bring a new one suitable for the new Age. This person did not do this.
Beside this, the Manifestations of God, are the same from Birth. Remember Jesus, when He was an infant, He was speaking about God and Day of Resurrection at that age.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I am sure you are serious. And I am sure that such sincere and serious beliefs will continue to cause eternal strife and suffering and will NEVER lead to peace or unity...(other than by force). You see it has happened before also
Christians claimed to be fulfillment of Judaic messianic prophecy and see how much strife that created and continues to create.
Islam...ditto vis a vis both Christianity and Judaism.
Now Bahai are there, Mormons, Ahmedia etc.
Same template...same result.

As MahaKachcha (disciple of Buddha) said when asked about this:-
“Why is it, Master Kaccāna, that ascetics fight with ascetics?”
“It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.” (AN 2: iv, 6, abridged; I 66)
We believe in all the religions their Founders and scriptures but we don’t expect anyone else to. If others come to an opposite conclusion then I am happy for them and I respect their right to hold a different view.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I am sure you are serious. And I am sure that such sincere and serious beliefs will continue to cause eternal strife and suffering and will NEVER lead to peace or unity...(other than by force). You see it has happened before also
Christians claimed to be fulfillment of Judaic messianic prophecy and see how much strife that created and continues to create.
Islam...ditto vis a vis both Christianity and Judaism.
Now Bahai are there, Mormons, Ahmedia etc.
Same template...same result.
Put simply, this view does not address the diversity that is life on this planet. We do not all have the same shoe size.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It’s not my call it’s God’s Who is the Lord of all religions. It’s for Him not me to decide those things. God does as He pleases and He has the wisdom to know what is best for all mankind.
These are your words. Take responsibility for what you say and believe. Don't blame your thoughts on anything else.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
We believe in all the religions their Founders and scriptures but we don’t expect anyone else to. If others come to an opposite conclusion then I am happy for them and I respect their right to hold a different view.
Then why come on forums and preach your faith? Words and actions aren't matching up here.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Put simply, this view does not address the diversity that is life on this planet. We do not all have the same shoe size.
Even though it’s true what you say that we are diverse and do not have the same shoe size yet we all receive our light and warmth from the same sun and our rain from the same sky. Spiritually I think it’s the same that in reality we are one but that our diversity adds to the beauty and richness of life. How boring it would be if we were all the same.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Then why come on forums and preach your faith? Words and actions aren't matching up here.
I’m sorry you think that. If my posts make you feel uncomfortable then I urge you to ‘ignore’ them and if you believe I’m preaching then I encourage you and others here to please report me.

My aim is the betterment of the world and I want the hate and wars to end. Thats all.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
These are your words. Take responsibility for what you say and believe. Don't blame your thoughts on anything else.
I can’t say if or whether Buddhism or Hinduism should be changed. Thats up to them. In our teachings we are told changing and introducing new religious laws is God’s domain.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Do you think this is possible without everyone adopting the same religion?
Of course. Most definitely. The goodness in humanity will establish world peace not the Baha’is. We are too small and insignificant. We only promote it but humanity are the ones who will achieve it.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I’m sorry you think that. If my posts make you feel uncomfortable then I urge you to ‘ignore’ them and if you believe I’m preaching then I encourage you and others here to please report me.

My aim is the betterment of the world and I want the hate and wars to end. Thats all.
It was a legitimate question. If you truly believe all faiths are valid, then there is no need to promote one over all the rest. The idea that I'm uncomfortable is in your imagination.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Even though it’s true what you say that we are diverse and do not have the same shoe size yet we all receive our light and warmth from the same sun and our rain from the same sky. Spiritually I think it’s the same that in reality we are one but that our diversity adds to the beauty and richness of life. How boring it would be if we were all the same.
Then why promote that we should all be Baha'i? Again, words and actions aren't matching. If you truly respect diversity, then there is no need to promote one religion over another.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I can’t say if or whether Buddhism or Hinduism should be changed. Thats up to them. In our teachings we are told changing and introducing new religious laws is God’s domain.
It's in your teachings that everyone will eventually become Baha'i. If that isn't a change, I don't know what is.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So, if you were a Jew, expecting the Messiah. Then they told you Jesus is Messiah, but didnt fulfill the Prophecies that He was supposed to. Instead He will return later and fulfill them later, you believe? Why would you?
Where in Jewish Prophecies says, Messiah does not fulfill in the first coming, but will retunr, and in the second time will fulfill?
What's the point of these questions? I can't know if God didn't test me with that.

But for your information, I was non-Muslim for five years.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
What steps do you think we(you and I) can take to achieve that goal?
Promote and practice the principle of the oneness of humanity.
Then why promote that we should all be Baha'i? Again, words and actions aren't matching. If you truly respect diversity, then there is no need to promote one religion over another.
That was not the intention. I always promote ‘principles’ such as the oneness of humanity which I believe will be a major principle in establishing world peace but not by Baha’is as we are too small and insignificant to establish peace. We just promote the ‘principle’ of oneness hoping it spreads so that all humanity will put down their guns and be as a family . Nothing to do with people all becoming Baha’is. People who want to become Baha’is will and those who don’t will not and that is not my concern. I don’t view accepting all religions as equal as promoting one religion over another. My religion is not superior to any other religion. I love all religions .
 
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