What If We Admitted to Children That Sex Is Primarily About Pleasure?

[Nymphs]

Prepubescent individuals are not capable of understanding sexuality the same way pubescent and post-pubescent individuals do. A prepubescent child is not a sexual being.

No one said they were. Talking about sex and explaining it doesn't make them a sexual being or a sexual object.

Individuals cannot even legally consent to sex until their mid-to-late teens. Save this kind of subjective discussion for a time they are cognoscente of their own sexuality.
I don't understand the question. Please rephrase it. What are you actually contending?

Explaining it to them before it happens can benefit a person. Not knowing what is happening can be very traumatic.

 

[Nymphs]

But considering you think sex is primarily about pleasure, if that is what you wish to teach your child, that is your choice.

It is. Pleasure for yourself, pleasure for your partner. Pleasure for both of you together.

 

[Madhuri]

Prepubescent individuals are not capable of understanding sexuality the same way pubescent and post-pubescent individuals do. A prepubescent child is not a sexual being.

I actually disagree that pre-pubesents are not sexual beings. Sure they aren't properly developed and should not be having sex but there is some level of sexuality present in many young children. Am I really the only one who knows this from personal experience? When I was 7 and 8, myself and many of my female friends were experiencing some levels of desire and experimentation. Really young kids develop strong crushes and we want to hold hands and kiss and cuddle. We might not quite understand sex yet but we aren't a-sexual.

 

[Nymphs]

I actually disagree that pre-pubesents are not sexual beings. Sure they aren't properly developed and should not be having sex but there is some level of sexuality present in many young children. Am I really the only one who knows this from personal experience? When I was 7 and 8, myself and many of my female friends were experiencing some levels of desire and experimentation. Really young kids develop strong crushes and we want to hold hands and kiss and cuddle. We might not quite understand sex yet but we aren't a-sexual.

That is quite true. Often children as young as three start masterbating. It's completely natural.

 

[Curious George]

Prepubescent individuals are not capable of understanding sexuality the same way pubescent and post-pubescent individuals do. A prepubescent child is not a sexual being.

Individuals cannot even legally consent to sex until their mid-to-late teens. Save this kind of subjective discussion for a time they are cognoscente of their own sexuality.
I don't understand the question. Please rephrase it. What are you actually contending?

It is naive to think that children do not have a sexuality. I agree that this is different from a mature adults sexuality, and to impose upon children adult concepts of sexuality is not age appropriate. However, children should be given age appropriate understandings of the world.
I have no idea on how the age of consent matters. Just because a child cannot consent to sex does not mean that discussions are not age appropriate.

 

[Gehennaite]

No one said they were. Talking about sex and explaining it doesn't make them a sexual being or a sexual object.

Explaining it to them before it happens can benefit a person. Not knowing what is happening can be very traumatic.

I actually disagree that pre-pubesents are not sexual beings. Sure they aren't properly developed and should not be having sex but there is some level of sexuality present in many young children. Am I really the only one who knows this from personal experience? When I was 7 and 8, myself and many of my female friends were experiencing some levels of desire and experimentation. Really young kids develop strong crushes and we want to hold hands and kiss and cuddle. We might not quite understand sex yet but we aren't a-sexual.

It is naive to think that children do not have a sexuality. I agree that this is different from a mature adults sexuality, and to impose upon children adult concepts of sexuality is not age appropriate. However, children should be given age appropriate understandings of the world.
I have no idea on how the age of consent matters. Just because a child cannot consent to sex does not mean that discussions are not age appropriate.

There is no reason to complain about the current system. It's a good thing most people find thinking like yours wholly unnecessary, perhaps even delusional.

I am thankful that I was not indoctrinated into someone else's paradigm of morality during my childhood. Let individuals prioritize their own sexuality... the same way you would with subjects like religion or politics.

 

[Curious George]

There is no reason to complain about the current system. It's a good thing most people find thinking like yours wholly unnecessary, perhaps even delusional.

I am thankful that I was not indoctrinated into someone else's paradigm of morality during my childhood. Let individuals prioritize their own sexuality... the same way you would with subjects like religion or politics.

It is delusional to think that children should be taught with developmentally and age appropriate learning?

Or it is delusional to note that children have a sexuality?

 

[Madhuri]

There is no reason to complain about the current system. It's a good thing most people find thinking like yours wholly unnecessary, perhaps even delusional.

I am thankful that I was not indoctrinated into someone else's paradigm of morality during my childhood. Let individuals prioritize their own sexuality... the same way you would with subjects like religion or politics.

What are you talking about?

Why is it indoctrination to explain sexuality objectively with your curious child in a manner that is age appropriate?

 

[kashmir]

What are you talking about?

Why is it indoctrination to explain sexuality objectively with your curious child in a manner that is age appropriate?

I do believe that is what he is saying...
"when the kid is old enough to understand"
Not when total strangers online set some age, to explain it to the kids.
All kids are different.

As I said before and saying it again.
The title of this thread is somewhat disturbing.
It seems to suggest that sex is nothing more than pleasure.
With an attitude like that, might as well just tell the kids, your viewed as a sex object to others your age, so get all the pleasure you can.

But, I am different, I view sex as making love and sex is to show love to your mate, not to hump anyone who is willing to spread their legs for you.

 

[Riverwolf]

Yeah, She doesn't have a kid anymore she has a little adult.
Gotta let kids be kids, I think it's extremely unhealthy to treat them like adults.
Growing up too fast makes you bitter.

No, being treated like a 2-year-old when your brain is already 95% developed (which happens around the age of 5) makes you bitter.

Once children reach that point in development, they basically are little adults without the experience(or some of our instincts, but more on that later).

If you're worried about them "growing up too fast" because that means they can't have fun, anymore, well... since when did playing tag, hide and seek, etc., have to be relegated to childhood? Seriously, SCREW growing up if I have to give up the silly, fun, carefree aspect of being a child.

Far as I'm concerned, old enough to ask means old enough to know the truth.

Well.. not really. If you talk about how great it is, How can you expect them to wait?

They'll wait because they lack the drive, and would likely think it gross (after all, that's where pee comes from). Before puberty, children generally lack any kind of sex drive(at least I don't remember having one). If they're already well-educated on the subject by the time it shows up, they'll be knowledgeable enough to be careful. That's far better than having to feel like they have to fumble by themselves, with the subject's inadequate crash-course being given to them by adults contradicting with everything their peers (that is, the people they actually trust despite not being any more knowledgeable) are saying.

...of course, that said, I don't even believe that sex is primarily about the physical pleasure of it, although that is a fun part. For me, it's primarily about the connection with the other person.

 

[Curious George]

I do believe that is what he is saying...
"when the kid is old enough to understand"
Not when total strangers online set some age, to explain it to the kids.
All kids are different.

As I said before and saying it again.
The title of this thread is somewhat disturbing.
It seems to suggest that sex is nothing more than pleasure.
With an attitude like that, might as well just tell the kids, your viewed as a sex object to others your age, so get all the pleasure you can.

But, I am different, I view sex as making love and sex is to show love to your mate, not to hump anyone who is willing to spread their legs for you.

Giving pleasure, receiving pleasure, sharing pleasure- there is more to pleasure than getting one's rocks off.

 

[Curious George]

...of course, that said, I don't even believe that sex is primarily about the physical pleasure of it, although that is a fun part. For me, it's primarily about the connection with the other person.

Do you mean connecting with another is pleasurable?

 

[Riverwolf]

Do you mean connecting with another is pleasurable?

The emotional bond formed far exceeds the scope of the word "pleasure", in my mind.

 

[Sunstone]

The emotional bond formed far exceeds the scope of the word "pleasure", in my mind.

Indeed! As a celibate, you would be amazed at how closely I've bonded with my right hand! Pleasure? Pfft! "Pleasure" doesn't begin to describe my feelings for my hand these days.

 

[kashmir]

The emotional bond formed far exceeds the scope of the word "pleasure", in my mind.

That doesn't seem true for some here, some seem to view sex as humping anything or be humped by anything that will stay still long enough.

 

[Curious George]

The emotional bond formed far exceeds the scope of the word "pleasure", in my mind.

But, nonetheless, the emotional bond is pleasurable, no?

 

[Curious George]

That doesn't seem true for some here, some seem to view sex as humping anything or be humped by anything that will stay still long enough.

I feel as though this is a polarization of the issue, and this attempts to dismiss the validity of contrary perspectives. I fully understand your point that you would not want sex simply objectified into base pleasure. I am suggesting to you that there is more depth to the opposing sides veiw than prurient satiation.

 

[kashmir]

I feel as though this is a polarization of the issue, and this attempts to dismiss the validity of contrary perspectives. I fully understand your point that you would not want sex simply objectified into base pleasure. I am suggesting to you that there is more depth to the opposing sides veiw than prurient satiation.

Lol, frankly I dont care what others view about sex, nor if they wish to raise tiny sex object children.
That is on them, I can only answer for myself.
As I said, the title of the thread speaks for itself

 

[Curious George]

Lol, frankly I dont care what others view about sex, nor if they wish to raise tiny sex object children.
That is on them, I can only answer for myself.
As I said, the title of the thread speaks for itself

methinks you mistook my post. I am suggesting that "pleasure" encompasses more than just orgasm.

 

[Nymphs]

There is no reason to complain about the current system. It's a good thing most people find thinking like yours wholly unnecessary, perhaps even delusional.

Actually, there are many reasons to complain. Do you really want people who have a dysfunctional learning about sex to try a go at it and be traumatised? How about giving everyone a healthy view on sex?