Madsaac
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How does the universe put limits on human control and why do you consider it greater?
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What is God?
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Colt
Well-Known Member
Some thoughts from the UB. I find this helpful.
Madsaac
Active Member
I'm merely saying that human existence has the same worth as ants, all beings exist to help with a balanced world. Do you agree?
And, I don't think the universe is greater, we are just part of the universe, our place is where we are however you said there are things in the universe which are greater. Such as?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, just try to fly around by flapping your arms. As for greater I consider it greater as you consider it balanced. It is how we individually rate the universe.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, there is no objective standard for worth including same worth. As for a balanced world, what is that and you got any evidence for that?
As for greater - according to science the sun will one day grow larger and swallow earth and kill all life on it. I would call that greater and ask how that is balanced?
Madsaac
Active Member
I think these two examples of the universe as being greater are very good examples of a balanced universe.
It's simply the way things have evolved, the way it's suppose to be. We aren't meant to fly and if the sun swallows the Earth then so be it.
It doesn't mean anything about what's greater
Madsaac
Active Member
Mother nature, evolution
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, it is based on how you cognitively evaluate how the universe makes sense to you. That is all good and well, but it is without evidence as it is cognitive for how you think.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Gravity, for one. Time, for another. Can you escape the influence of either?
Then there’s all the other mysterious unseen forces which animate the universe.
Man in his hubris has spent centuries learning to subdue and manipulate nature, with varying degrees of success. In so doing, our species has become an existential threat to life on earth. We need to learn the lesson that we depend on nature, she does not depend on us; and it is not our place to enslave her. To learn this lesson, we need to acquire some humility, pretty darn quick.
Madsaac
Active Member
We are part of gravity and time, it's not greater than us. We were able to evolve with it around us, didn't we? Its not greater than us, we are one. One big living organism.
And our evolution has allowed us to walk the Earth, and make choices rightly or wrongly which will determine our future. The Earth will continue to evolve and it may or may not include humans, whatever the outcome, the Earth will be in balance.
God is an easy answer to some very complicated questions
He doesn't exist for everyone. For those he do exist, it's because they don't like the idea of not having answers, for those he doesn't exist, it's because they're okay with admitting to not having all the answers.
Madsaac
Active Member
Please don't start this again.
So you think it's 'greater' that the sun may swallow the earth rather than it just part of the evolution of the Earth' life? Isn't this just normal, not greater?
Or that humans being unable to fly is 'greater' than it just evolving that way? Isn't this just normal, not greater?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, you really don't like that you have an understanding that is in part without evidence. You want to save that for religion and don't want to admit that is not just for religion.
Okay, then stop posting claims that have no evidence.
Madsaac
Active Member
My evidence is that 99% of science experts say that the sun will swallow the Earth one day.
And that humans didn't needs wings to evolve.
How much more evidence do you need?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
How is that balanced? What scientifc theory are you refering to for your evidence for it being balanced?
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Of course the universe is greater than us. Do you have any conception how vast it is, and how tiny, and how fragile, we are?
Madsaac
Active Member
Because that's what is going to happen or has happened. What scientific theory???? I just said 99% of experts said it's true
You said "Well, the rest of the universe put limits on human control and to do. That could be considered greater. I do."
And the examples you gave were.
'As for greater - according to science the sun will one day grow larger and swallow earth and kill all life on it. I would call that greater and ask how that is balanced?' I don't think this is greater, its balanced because that's what is going to happen.
"Just like Well, just try to fly around by flapping your arms." And I don't think this is greater, its balanced because that's what has happened.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So you are one of those believers. Okay, I believe differently.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
You really don't understand that it is different belief systems for us both?
Madsaac
Active Member
Well, I'm not sure but it's still fun discussing things
