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What is Hell?
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Breathe
Hostis humani generis
I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean here. Is it possible for you to elaborate further for me?
outhouse
Atheistically
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pilate would have not even blinked a eye at blashemy as it wasnt a roman crime
sedition on the other hand and pilate would have seen jesus as crossing the line
the actual crime would dictate the punishment
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Breathe
Hostis humani generis
He would have believed Jesus to have been against the state. A freedom fighter, if you will.
Punishment would be severe..
outhouse
Atheistically
here it is in context with what we think we know about Caiapfas
Caiaphas' legal position, therefore, was to establish that Jesus was guilty not only of blasphemy, but also of proclaiming himself the messiah, which was understood as the return of the Davidic king. This would have been an act of sedition and prompted Roman execution.
and in another section
Caiaphas and the other men charge him with blasphemy and order him beaten.
this is where i come up with
blasphemy = jewish beating or killing if deemed needed to jewish public outcry
sedition = roman death
bhaktajan
Active Member
Since:
I am an Orthodox Hindu Yogi, and I shall chime in:
a] The definition of God is He is both omnipresent & omnipotent.
b] The definition of God is He is expanding His own Personal Energy to creat & maintain the Cosmos ---yet without any loss of creative/omnipotent powers.
c] The definition of God is He is present in three ways:
---Brahman (The Void);
---Param-atma (The localised nucleus/Soul of all animate & Inanimate things);
---Bhagavan (The original First person who is unlimitedlt full in ALL-Opulences) {this would be a Persona Suprema ~Not an Inanimate object};
ergo,
Hell is "seperation from the Supreme personality of Godhead, Krishna".
The seperation allows for free-will to travel anywhere one "presumes" to go.
Since, the mystery of Life is: The search for & the return to the inter-personal reciprocal pastimes in the association of: the Supreme personality of Godhead, Krishna.
To substitute anything or anyone else for the above maxim is Hell. yes, there are degrees of hellaciousness. We are free to explore all the varied life-forms [each of the 8,400,000 species of life engage in the same 4-Acts: Eat/Sleep/Mate/Defend] ---yet, the Souls are seeking the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is unlimitedly full in all (personal) **Opulences. ---since time-immemorial, we souls-in-the-material-world are seeking out this Coolest: **Richest, strongest, most beautiful, most intelligent, most famous & the most renounced [these are the 6-Opulences that God the Original Transcendent Person alone possesses in unlimited quantity & is also the originating reservior of all such 'Personal' opulences].
Crawling, slithering, flying, swimming, buzzing creatures along with all races of Humans are extensions/plenary expansions of the Original Persona ---Mankind is the anthropomorphised creations of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna.
How do I know this about the first Father of All Creation?
Mother Veda said so ---she said it via her disciplic succession without deviating from the blatant Absolute Truth. --thus there is no room to speculate as to what is the absolute truth of such matters.
Bhaktajan
I am an Orthodox Hindu Yogi, and I shall chime in:
a] The definition of God is He is both omnipresent & omnipotent.
b] The definition of God is He is expanding His own Personal Energy to creat & maintain the Cosmos ---yet without any loss of creative/omnipotent powers.
c] The definition of God is He is present in three ways:
---Brahman (The Void);
---Param-atma (The localised nucleus/Soul of all animate & Inanimate things);
---Bhagavan (The original First person who is unlimitedlt full in ALL-Opulences) {this would be a Persona Suprema ~Not an Inanimate object};
ergo,
Hell is "seperation from the Supreme personality of Godhead, Krishna".
The seperation allows for free-will to travel anywhere one "presumes" to go.
Since, the mystery of Life is: The search for & the return to the inter-personal reciprocal pastimes in the association of: the Supreme personality of Godhead, Krishna.
To substitute anything or anyone else for the above maxim is Hell. yes, there are degrees of hellaciousness. We are free to explore all the varied life-forms [each of the 8,400,000 species of life engage in the same 4-Acts: Eat/Sleep/Mate/Defend] ---yet, the Souls are seeking the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is unlimitedly full in all (personal) **Opulences. ---since time-immemorial, we souls-in-the-material-world are seeking out this Coolest: **Richest, strongest, most beautiful, most intelligent, most famous & the most renounced [these are the 6-Opulences that God the Original Transcendent Person alone possesses in unlimited quantity & is also the originating reservior of all such 'Personal' opulences].
Crawling, slithering, flying, swimming, buzzing creatures along with all races of Humans are extensions/plenary expansions of the Original Persona ---Mankind is the anthropomorphised creations of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna.
How do I know this about the first Father of All Creation?
Mother Veda said so ---she said it via her disciplic succession without deviating from the blatant Absolute Truth. --thus there is no room to speculate as to what is the absolute truth of such matters.
Bhaktajan
Wikipedia is not authoritative. It just depends on who posted what there.
Rather immature understanding of the NT.
outhouse
Atheistically
and if you dont like it, its open for change IF you can back your assumption with facts
I have heard that Hell was an actual place that existed just outside of Jewrusalem that was probably active when Jesus walked the earth. During this time, famine and disease were rampant and dead bodies were piling up in the street. Most people did not have the resources to properly bury or cremate their dead so the dead were collected enmasse and brought to this place called Hell to be burned. There were so many bodies to be burned that the burning went on 24/7, which obviously leads to the concept of "eternal hellfire". Those who ended up in Hell were mainly the poor who died of disease. It was believed that those who contracted disease did so because they were evil. So we can easily conclude where the concept that "when evil people die they go to Hell and burn eternally" came from.
I can add what the NT Scriptures state.
outhouse
Atheistically
that is not historically accurate
outhouse
Atheistically
this is my belief as well.
you can search Gehenna wiki and learn all about it. Or the valley of hinnom wiki
What baffles me is how this superstition that manifested from this place called Hell has survived so long.
outhouse
Atheistically
Its blind faith in my opinion, The belief in something with no evidence.
That and you cant prove a myth doesnt exist. In my opinion
Perhaps, but sadly, I believe it was intentionally preserved as a means to control the masses. Even more sad is that it seems to have worked quite well.
IMHO, you have to be sophomoric to buy that kind of reasoning.
outhouse
Atheistically
Not at all, written religion was created to reign in the pagans with fear and terror of vengeful god. [control the masses] back then political and religion were hand in hand.
Christians adapted to the hebrew religion with a new attitude to appeal to more then judean's with the same god. it was no easy task converting pagans