What is Hell?

[smokydot]

so now jesus is making things up, the son of god has to copy a place here on earth to call hell????

The Son of God doesn't need your permission to do as he sees fit.

to say it is not THE city dump is your interpetation only, is this correct???

This is incorrect, as usual.
Jesus wasn't warning them about the city dump when he said,

"If your eye causes you to sin gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body that for your whole body to be thrown into Gehenna.
And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into Gehenna."

That's not about the temporal city dump. . .that's about eternal Gehenna.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I think which pagen myth would help to get your answer.
in all honesty very little is know of hell. The word hell and its many other names are not used that much in the bible. Most times its describes more as a place then being descriptive. Lakes of fire are used and burning fires that cant be quenched.

What is the definition of the Lake of fire at Rev 20v14?
Isn't the lake the second death?

Wouldn't the condition of the dead give us an indication of what hell is ?
In the Hebrew Scriptures sheol [hell] was the common grave of mankind.
What did Jesus think he would be doing while he was in hell? Acts 2vs27,31
Jesus informed us about his friend at John [11vs11-14] that his dead friend was in a sleep-like state. Jesus likened death to sleep. So Jesus would have believed that while he was dead he would be in the same deep sleep state.
So, the time Jesus spent in hell before God resurrected Jesus then Jesus would be in an unconscious condition or state as Ecclesiastes 9v5 says the dead know nothing. The dead sleep: not burn, nor be in bliss.
Psalm 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4; Daniel 12v2,13

 

[smokydot]

Did Jesus call hell as hell, or was it already called hell?
In the Hebrew hell is sheol
In the Greek hell is hades/ haides

You are misinformed about the meaing of the Hebrew sheol and the Greek hades.
Check it out with someone who personally knows the languages. . .both mean death, grave, pit. . .neither means hell.

'Gehenna' is Not either sheol or hades, but the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed instead of kept burning forever.

The city dump burned continually, a fitting picture of eternal burning.

That is why the word Gehenna often translated as hellfire is really a fitting symbol for destruction.

And that's why Jesus named the place of eternal burning after the place of temporal burning.

Your understanding of Scripture is not orthodox Christianity.
A foreign methodology and exegesis from outside orthodox Christianity has been forced upon it to yield your interpretations which are not orthodox Christianity.

 

[smokydot]

What is the definition of the Lake of fire at Rev 20v14?
Isn't the lake the second death?
Wouldn't the condition of the dead give us an indication of what hell is ?
In the Hebrew Scriptures sheol [hell] was the common grave of mankind.
What did Jesus think he would be doing while he was in hell? Acts 2vs27,31
Jesus informed us about his friend at John [11vs11-14] that his dead friend was in a sleep-like state. Jesus likened death to sleep. So Jesus would have believed that while he was dead he would be in the same deep sleep state.

No. . .we can't say Jesus believed that about his death, because he was sinless and not subject to the consequences of sin as we are.
We can't translate the death of Lazarus into the death of Jesus, because Lazarus was born in sin.

So, the time Jesus spent in hell before God resurrected Jesus then Jesus would be in an unconscious condition or state as Ecclesiastes 9v5 says the dead know nothing. The dead sleep: not burn, nor be in bliss.
Psalm 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4; Daniel 12v2,13

Your verse in Daniel does not support what you are saying here. See post #137.

Your understanding of Scripture is based in a foreign methodology and exegesis imposed on it from outside orthodox Christianity,
and is yielding interpretions that are not orthodox Christianity.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

heres a passage from daniel
12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
here is an early refference to heaven and hell simply meaning grave for hell.
funny the god of the OT simple means hell as a grave where one sleeps [imagine that]

Everlasting contempt is in connection to everlasting punishment of Matthew 25v46. Everlasting punishment is as 2nd Thess 1v9 says everlasting destruction.

Things thrown into Gehenna were destroyed not kept burning forever.
Psalm 92v7 mentions the wicked being destroyed or annihilated forever.
Not kept alive to burn forever.

Awakening from the dust is also a reference to an earthly resurrection such as the prophet Daniel looked forward. Dan 12vs2,13.

All who died before Jesus died will be part of the earthly promise to Abraham.
Acts 2v34; Matt 11v11; Gen 12v3; 22vs17,18; Rev 22v2

 

[outhouse]

Did Jesus call hell as hell, or was it already called hell?

In the Hebrew hell is sheol
In the Greek hell is hades/ haides

'Gehenna' is Not either sheol or hades, but the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem where things were destroyed instead of kept burning forever.

That is why the word Gehenna often translated as hellfire is really a fitting symbol for destruction.

your close, i agree iwth everything but hadies

i posted the link for hadies so you can research the term yourself.

 

[outhouse]

What is the definition of the Lake of fire at Rev 20v14?
Isn't the lake the second death?

Wouldn't the condition of the dead give us an indication of what hell is ?
In the Hebrew Scriptures sheol [hell] was the common grave of mankind.
What did Jesus think he would be doing while he was in hell? Acts 2vs27,31
Jesus informed us about his friend at John [11vs11-14] that his dead friend was in a sleep-like state. Jesus likened death to sleep. So Jesus would have believed that while he was dead he would be in the same deep sleep state.
So, the time Jesus spent in hell before God resurrected Jesus then Jesus would be in an unconscious condition or state as Ecclesiastes 9v5 says the dead know nothing. The dead sleep: not burn, nor be in bliss.
Psalm 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4; Daniel 12v2,13

theres not one descriptive statement of hell, and i think you have that mixed up with purgatory

 

[outhouse]

Everlasting contempt

Everlasting punishment

excellent views

both subjective as to meaning

Things thrown into Gehenna were destroyed not kept burning forever.
Psalm 92v7 mentions the wicked being destroyed or annihilated forever.
Not kept alive to burn forever

excellent as well.

all your descriptions do not define the "hell myth" the way modern man thinks of hell with a red devil with horns and torture for eternity.

 

[outhouse]

That's not about the temporal city dump. . .that's about eternal Gehenna.

this is your interpetation

 

[smokydot]

Everlasting contempt is in connection to everlasting punishment of Matthew 25v46. Everlasting punishment is as 2nd Thess 1v9 says everlasting destruction.
Things thrown into Gehenna were destroyed not kept burning forever.
Psalm 92v7 mentions the wicked being destroyed or annihilated forever.
Not kept alive to burn forever.
Awakening from the dust is also a reference to an earthly resurrection such as the prophet Daniel looked forward. Dan 12vs2,13.
All who died before Jesus died will be part of the earthly promise to Abraham.
Acts 2v34; Matt 11v11; Gen 12v3; 22vs17,18; Rev 22v2

Not according to orthodox Christianity. . .

 

[smokydot]

theres not one descriptive statement of hell, and i think you have that mixed up with purgatory

See Mt 5:22, 18:8; Mk 9:43, 9:48.

"where the fire never goes out"
"where their worm dies not and the fire is not quenched"
"in danger of the fire of hell"
"eternal fire"

That's all the description l need!

 

[smokydot]

this is your interpetation

That is orthodox Christianity.

 

[outhouse]

See Mt 5:22, 18:8; Mk 9:43, 9:48.

"where the fire never goes out"
"where their worm dies not and the fire is not quenched"
"in danger of the fire of hell"
"eternal fire"

That's all the description l need!

every satement could be the valley of hinon [the place]

they even have a maggot keeping warm by the fire how nice

it makes sense the bible calling the place where sinners go "the dump" since no one buried bad people.

Its becoming clear now

hell was the dump and only when the bible grew did the fiction get thick, in my opinion

 

[smokydot]

every satement could be the valley of hinon [the place]
they even have a maggot keeping warm by the fire how nice
it makes sense the bible calling the place where sinners go "the dump" since no one buried bad people.
Its becoming clear now
hell was the dump and only when the bible grew did the fiction get thick, in my opinion

None of that is orthodox Christianity.

 

[outhouse]

That is orthodox Christianity.

who is it to say that only orthodox knows what there talking about?

is there something that makse them special over the rest?

are orthodox christians the magical biblical translators???

 

[smokydot]

who is it to say that only orthodox knows what there talking about?
is there something that makse them special over the rest?
are orthodox christians the magical biblical translators???

Do you know what it means?

 

[outhouse]

i do and i was the one asking the questions.

you had hadies so mest up and your opinons biased, your credibility may be in question

 

[smokydot]

i do and i was the one asking the questions.
you had hadies so mest up and your opinons biased, your credibility may be in question

None of it is messed up according to orthodox Christianity.

 

[outhouse]

None of it is messed up according to orthodox Christianity.

orthodox beliefs are a grain of sand on a beach compared to the standard christian view .

why are orthodox so special to make a judgement of hell for the whole world?

 

[smokydot]

orthodox beliefs are a grain of sand on a beach compared to the standard christian view .
why are orthodox so special to make a judgement of hell for the whole world?

So you don't know the meaning of orthodox Christianity. . .