What is in a name: Why are Christians readily accepting of Judaic theology and not Islamic theology?

[Libski]

Christianity comes from Judaism.

Islam came afterwards

Even though Jesus said that many false prophets will come after Him, and that He was the last, people still believe in Islam because they don’t know the Bible.

 

[Rival]

Christianity comes from Judaism.

Islam came afterwards

Even though Jesus said that many false prophets will come after Him, and that He was the last, people still believe in Islam because they don’t know the Bible.

People believe in Christianity because they don't know the Hebrew scriptures. This works against you, so it's not a wonderful argument.

 

[Jedster]

Christianity comes from Judaism.

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That's news to me.

@Libski
Edited to add:
Oops my bad, I misread your quote. I read it as "Christianity comes before Judaism".

 

[Libski]

People believe in Christianity because they don't know the Hebrew scriptures. This works against you, so it's not a wonderful argument.

Do you believe that God hides the message that He has for the world?

 

[Libski]

That's news to me.

Christianity comes from Christ and He was a Jew, as were the first disciples.

His message was intended first for the Jews, then the gentiles.

He came to fulfill the Law and take mankind out of it and into grace.

 

[Jedster]

Christianity comes from Christ and He was a Jew, as were the first disciples.

His message was intended first for the Jews, then the gentiles.

He came to fulfill the Law and take mankind out of it and into grace.

In my edited post above, I wrote:
Edited to add:
Oops my bad, I misread your quote. I read it as "Christianity comes before Judaism".

 

[Libski]

In my edited post above, I wrote:
Edited to add:
Oops my bad, I misread your quote. I read it as "Christianity comes before Judaism".

That’s okay

 

[wizanda]

People believe in Christianity because they don't know the Hebrew scriptures.

This is true that to follow Paul, John and Simon's Christianity; yet people who are aware of the religious texts globally accept Yeshua, else they'd be ignoring a majority.

In my opinion.

 

[Rival]

Do you believe that God hides the message that He has for the world?

This has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Libski]

This is true that to follow Paul, John and Simon's Christianity; yet people who are aware of the religious texts globally accept Yeshua, else they'd be ignoring a majority.

In my opinion.

This is true that to follow Paul, John and Simon's Christianity; yet people who are aware of the religious texts globally accept Yeshua, else they'd be ignoring a majority.

In my opinion.

Paul, John and Simon’s Christianity?

“Christian” is what non-believers called the disciples because they were “Christ-like”; “small Christs”; they did what Christ did - share the Gospel, cast out demons, lay hands on the sick and raise the dead.

Christianity was a description of Christ’s actions, it doesn’t come from the disciples.

 

[Libski]

This has nothing to do with what I said.

You imply that there is a hidden message; that God’s word is only available to those who speak Hebrew.

Do you believe that God would hide His Word?

 

[Rival]

You imply that there is a hidden message; that God’s word is only available to those who speak Hebrew.

Do you believe that God would hide His Word?

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that the Christian scripture contradicts the Jewish (Hebrew) scripture, so your original argument against Islam can also be used contra you.

 

[stvdv]

Kirran said: ↑
The primary meaning of jihad in much of Islamic discourse is the battle against one's ego.

I’m sure that is great comfort to those that have, as a result of jihad, been killed.

Would be smart to add 1 chapter to the Koran, to explain this point in simple words like above
And to add "It's not meaning to kill disbelievers; we were wrong about that for some 1200 years"

I would make it the first chapter, so they will never forget this

I am curious how many Moslims would agree to this; would be an interesting poll
As a Lover of Christ, I would agree to this when done for the violent verses in the Bible
[Koran has 5.4% violent verses, and Bible 2.7% (quantity more, because size is bigger)]

 

[Libski]

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that the Christian scripture contradicts the Jewish (Hebrew) scripture, so your original argument against Islam can also be used contra you.

Where does it contradict it?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Yes, nifty video. Unfortunately it doesn't relate at all to your question (Christians accepting Jewish theology and not Islamic theology), as the Rabbi in the video is really just saying that Jews and Muslims have the same god, but the Christians don't because of Jesus (completely ignoring elements of the Trinity Theology, by the way, and also the fact that Middle Eastern Christians call their god "Allah" too.)

So how about it? Rather than typically dismissing my posts, how about now expounding upon the chronological factor that Islam came after Christianity, so it's silly to expect Christians to accept Islamic theology?

Although the ignorance of the Rabbi concerning some of the elements concerning Arab culture as well as Islamic doctrine are true and apparent, it does not change the fact that theologically when it comes to the Oneness of God, this is the core and the essential aspect of the Abrahamic tradition. Now, concerning your view regarding the "chronological order" of Islam being after Christianity is not even a relevant point. The issue is not whether Islam came after Christianity, the issue is the lack of support for Islamic concepts concerning God's oneness, authority, and the theological concepts that are on par with Judaism.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I don't know the rabbi in the video nor does he know me. But Jews can pray in a mosque (not joining in Muslim prayers) because there is no stain of idolatry there because Islam is (according to many opinions) a monotheistic religion. This has no bearing on the particular God belief. A church is affected by idolatry according to rabbinic understanding so the entire structure is suspect. Don't confuse the problems associated with a different idea of God with the question of whether a specific God is shared.

https://torah.org/torah-portion/weekly-halacha-5772-bo/
for some information
and here is some more
https://judaism.stackexchange.com/a/26355

True and @Tumah has already explained this. Now, if this is true concerning praying in a mosque because the faith in Islam is pure monotheism then why not other monotheistic faiths like Sikhism? I think it is not simply because of a monotheistic belief but rather, the shared theology that both Judaism and Islam holds.

 

[wizanda]

Paul, John and Simon’s Christianity?

Christianity was first established in Antioch to Paul and Simon's ministry (Acts 11:26), they taught a different Gospel to the Synoptic Gospels, and then there was the Johannine Christianity, which has all become one thing.

The Ebionites/Followers of the Way, and James the Just stood against Christianity's teachings that Yeshua came as a sacrifice.

John, Paul, and Simon contradict the Synoptic Gospels, like the whole thing is an IQ morality test from God to see if people pay attention.

In my opinion.

 

[Rival]

Where does it contradict it?

Christian scripture claims Jesus is the messiah, which can be proven untrue according to the Hebrew scriptures, and that G-d, heaven forbid, impregnated a virgin. This alone means that Jesus could not have been the messiah as it invalidates his paternal claim to the seed of David, which is a prerequisite for being the messiah. The Christian testament also teaches contradictory things to Torah, such as 'looking upon a woman in lust you have already commited adultery', which is a sick doctrine and works for no-one. Experiencing lust is not a sin, acting on it is. So praise is due the person who looks in lust then turns his head and rejects it, rather than accusing him of a detestable crime.

It also confuses the burial places of the patriarchs and claims they are in Shechem, when it is Chevron.

Paul repeatedly misquotes Jewish scripture.

It has antisemitic ramblings and claims the Jews are the devil's children.

It claims satan is an evil being.

 

[Libski]

Christianity was first established in Antioch to Paul and Simon's ministry (Acts 11:26), they taught a different Gospel to the Synoptic Gospels, and then there was the Johannine Christianity, which has all become one thing.

The Ebionites/Followers of the Way, and James the Just stood against Christianity's teachings that Yeshua came as a sacrifice.

John, Paul, and Simon contradict the Synoptic Gospels, like the whole thing is an IQ morality test from God to see if people pay attention.

In my opinion.

Do you believe that God tests people when He tells us not to test Him? ;-)

There is only one Gospel - the message that is meant for the whole world.

What I find most interesting about it (coming from a Catholic background) is that Jesus came to destroy religion yet new “denominations” are created all the time. I’m in a small city - there are 6 or 7. All people have to do is read the Word and they’ll see that God wants a relationship and that ignoring part of His Word removes all of His glory.

The enemy of God is so cunning and people are so easily led.

What’s your faith background, out of interest?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

It is made clear that many Christians are judged to be in contravention of this though.

You have a couple of very significant problems for Christians re Islamic theology:

1. Trinitarianism is an affront to god.
2. Paul, the core figure in much of Christian theology, is a blasphemous and mendacious perverter of God's true message.
( not to mention smaller issues like: No alcohol = no communion, reverence of saints is idolatry, etc)

The problem with the trinity is that it is an invention, a theological philosophy that was supplemental to the New Testament. The theology of the trinity was not even a part of Jesus' ministries. The recitation of the Sh'ma is proof of that. I think the disagreement of the Qur'an regarding Christianity at that time was mostly focusing on "Paulinian Christianity." Unitarians were not around in Arabia so they were not even attached to that critique.