Even in countries where alcohol is banned alcohol is consumed. The only difference between a country where it is legal and one where it is illegal is how the drinking is done; in public versus behind closed doors.
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What is incorrect with those people who drink alcohol?
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sovietchild
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In Islam drinking was forbidden for many reasons and one of the reason is murder. People would get drunk and start killing each other.
I've been drunk and never murdered anyone. Sober people murder plenty. Alcohol lowers inhibition. And if that's all it takes to keep you from murdering someone then you had problems before the alcohol.
Or or and hear me out, we instead encourage responsibility? Just a thought.
Though American alcohol ads really are quite glamorous, ours are all artsy and silly.
Occasionally condemning.
But literally everything in this world in too high amount will kill you. Water, speeding, being an idiot on the road all cause death.
If we had them fancy breath testing things in all our cars, the ones which lockdown if you blow over the limit, bam no more drinking and driving. And we can stop with the moralising. It's boring. And added bonus less innocent deaths. It's a win win.
Though American alcohol ads really are quite glamorous, ours are all artsy and silly.
Occasionally condemning.
But literally everything in this world in too high amount will kill you. Water, speeding, being an idiot on the road all cause death.
If we had them fancy breath testing things in all our cars, the ones which lockdown if you blow over the limit, bam no more drinking and driving. And we can stop with the moralising. It's boring. And added bonus less innocent deaths. It's a win win.
Yeah? How come the murder rate in France is not high then? They drink wine all the bleeding time! Probably at a higher rate (and younger) than say America. I mean the terrorist attacks weren't an alcoholic thing either and in cities like Paris the violent crime rate is pretty low.
Besides I'm pretty sure the vast majority of homicides are committed by sober people, just saying.
sovietchild
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Surveys of people incarcerated for violent crimes indicate that about 40 percent had been drinking at the time they committed these offenses.
Alcohol linked to more homicides in US than any other substance
Uhh check that chart again mate. The majority of homocides had no alcohol or other substances at all, lol only 34% had alcohol as it's influence.Surveys of people incarcerated for violent crimes indicate that about 40 percent had been drinking at the time they committed these offenses.
Alcohol linked to more homicides in US than any other substance
Besides the US always did have an awful relationship with it's alcohol. Not because they allow it, but because they treat it like some evil taboo thing but glamorise it at the same time.
sovietchild
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Yes you are right 56% without and 44% with some kind of intoxication.
I'd agree that alcohol is largely a destructive thing. It's very hard for a person to really have a healthy relationship with it. But making it illegal would be foolish - it would be less safe as a substance (moonshine) and it would be forced underground where people wouldn't be able to get help. Much of this is cultural of course.
In Malaysia, which is predominantly Muslim, people still drink alcohol. They just do it in small groups or alone behind closed doors, and if they have problems with addition and alcoholism they can't tell anybody about it because it's taboo. Not good.
In Malaysia, which is predominantly Muslim, people still drink alcohol. They just do it in small groups or alone behind closed doors, and if they have problems with addition and alcoholism they can't tell anybody about it because it's taboo. Not good.
meghanwaterlillies
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So are you going to put a prohibition on furniture?
Because that is the problem with statistic learning is that basically furniture here is the number one villain.
meghanwaterlillies
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Ironically I fell the other day and silt my wrist a little on a piece of furniture. Damn drunken wood spilter, damn terrorist!!!
Speak for yourself, mate. Alcohol and I have a perfectly wonderful relationship. It's the day after that doesn't like to agree with me.
Speak for yourself, mate. Alcohol and I have a perfectly wonderful relationship. It's the day after that doesn't like to agree with me.
Haha! It can be fun. I have some great memories of when I used to get pissed that still make me laugh. Didn't used to get much of a hangover, except for one particular New Year's Day after some homemade vodka, I spent the entire day in front of the TV with a throwing up bucket.
But I am convinced that ultimately the risk of having regular or habitual alcohol consumption normalised in society isn't worth it. The damage that alcohol has done to my family for the last few generations, as well as to countless other people, especially coming into view by the time people reach middle age. My father says actually when he gets to know people, the majority of his peers have had big problems in their life due to their own alcohol consumption or that of someone close to them. This is a major problem in our society I feel.
meghanwaterlillies
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Surveys of people incarcerated for violent crimes indicate that about 40 percent had been drinking at the time they committed these offenses.
Alcohol linked to more homicides in US than any other substance
I'd probably agree, but even it seems some people don't do well with it. And cocaine is a little harder to come by. If cocaine was readily easy as alcohol; those numbers would go up considering I've seen it already first hand. It's alcohol plus cocaine and a belief that they want to be bad and know it in themselves with no heart; just a belief in that "glory".
Why are religionists so bad at statistical analysis?
Tom
I'm against prohibition because it doesn't work, but the misleading seductive advertising can go too. Every 'alcohol is cool' ad should be followed by images of puking, the homeless, domestic violence, a parent spending money on booze while a kid goes without new clothes, or a car crash. It would be fair play to see both sides, not just the one. The problem of course is who has the money to spend on advertising. We do get some negative ads here, mostly from MADD.
meghanwaterlillies
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Actually why do statistics pop on religious forums ? I think that's the greater question.
I think a big impact which is even less out in the open is the impact it can have on people's personal relationships, especially within a family setting.
Indeed. Everyone, it seems, has the uncle or aunt who can destroy a wedding, or even a nice dinner.
meghanwaterlillies
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I always found that the weird advertising had some strange message to it; little more interesting. Especially for alcohol; there were a few really weird. I might even mean creepy.