What is incorrect with those people who drink alcohol?

[idav]

Nations who allow alcohol are breading murderers 3 times faster then nations who bread terrorists.

The chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are about 1 in 20 million. A person is as likely to be killed by his or her own furniture, and more likely to die in a car accident, drown in a bathtub, or in a building fire than from a terrorist attack.

• One person is killed every half-hour due to drunk driving
• Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes
• Alcohol is a factor in almost half of all traffic fatalities
• Every other minute a person is seriously injured in an alcohol related crash

The biggest killer is nature and should be banned.

 

[Aštra’el]

Can't speak for everyone else, but being sober is horrible on every level.

Being sober is when I am at my best, athletically, and the same can be said for the vast majority of athletes. Anyone devoted to pushing the limits of our strength, speed, stamina, overall fitness, and athletic techniques and abilities understand how awesome sobriety can be. "Horrible" is certainly not a word I would use to describe being sober.

It obviously is also incredibly useful to have a clear mind during more intellectual matters. That is not to say one should not enjoy the benefits of alcohol or other stimulants on occasion, like some AMFs or some og kush, or something more psychedelic.

 

[Kirran]

Indeed. Everyone, it seems, has the uncle or aunt who can destroy a wedding, or even a nice dinner.

That's true, there's that. But I really mean more things along the lines of within nuclear families themselves, the presence of alcohol making families more dysfunctional, that kind of thing. Ubiquitous phenomenon.

 

[Vinayaka]

That's true, there's that. But I really mean more things along the lines of within nuclear families themselves, the presence of alcohol making families more dysfunctional, that kind of thing. Ubiquitous phenomenon.

Trust me. I know this all too well. Try taking the car keys from a child who insists they are safe to go. If people are about to do really stupid things within their family, often booze is involved. Personally, I'm an abstainer, but that was not always the case. I get absolutely ridiculous hangovers. The last time was maybe 30 years back. I went out after school on Friday with some staff members to celebrate something, and I barely made it to work on Monday. ot one day of puking, but two. That was the last straw.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Nations who allow alcohol are breading murderers 3 times faster then nations who bread terrorists.

While I agree that accidents involving alcohol are reprehensible, do not confuse that with "murder." That's a legal definition, and it doesn't fit.

The chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are about 1 in 20 million. A person is as likely to be killed by his or her own furniture, and more likely to die in a car accident, drown in a bathtub, or in a building fire than from a terrorist attack.

Don't play with statistics -- you can only go wrong. Unless you can find a causative correlation, it's just a silly game, and almost always unrevealing of anything we can learn from.

• One person is killed every half-hour due to drunk driving

And about one person dies every 4 seconds due to starvation -- 450 times as many as die by drunk driving. Care to make a point about that?

• Each year approximately 16,000 are killed in alcohol related crashes

And what has religion killed?

• The Crusades: 6,000,000
• Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
• French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
• Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
• Lebanese Civil War: 250,000
• Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
• Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
• Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
• Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
• Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
• Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000
• Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000
• First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
• Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
• The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
• Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000
• Iraq War: 500,000
• US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000
• Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
• Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000
• AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000
• Spanish Inquisition: 5,000
• TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.

Maybe we should keep booze and get rid of religion, eh?

• Alcohol is a factor in almost half of all traffic fatalities

Humans are a factor in 100% of all traffic fatalities. Solution?

• Every other minute a person is seriously injured in an alcohol related crash

Every other second, a person dies of starvation. Solve it by banning something, if you can.

 

[SomeRandom]

Haha! It can be fun. I have some great memories of when I used to get pissed that still make me laugh. Didn't used to get much of a hangover, except for one particular New Year's Day after some homemade vodka, I spent the entire day in front of the TV with a throwing up bucket.

But I am convinced that ultimately the risk of having regular or habitual alcohol consumption normalised in society isn't worth it. The damage that alcohol has done to my family for the last few generations, as well as to countless other people, especially coming into view by the time people reach middle age. My father says actually when he gets to know people, the majority of his peers have had big problems in their life due to their own alcohol consumption or that of someone close to them. This is a major problem in our society I feel.

I think it's more complicated. Yes society largely encourages habitual alcohol consumption, but at the same time the treatment of mental woes is largely ignored. Things like depression, post partum depression and especially men with depression is not always taken seriously or even talked about openly. We are better than previous generations and in some ways worse. Those who use alcohol as a crutch will obviously have problems with alcohol. Those who self medicate with alcohol will obviously have problems with alcohol.
Instead of blaming society's treatment of alcohol or even alcohol itself perhaps it's better to analyse why people drink habitually what lead them to that in the first place and what can be done about it. People with addictive personalities will have a problem with really any substance. Blaming alcohol is too simplistic. I know plenty of functioning alcoholics without it destroying themselves or anyone else. I know pot smokers who are perfectly well adjusted productive members of society.

 

[Nietzsche]

Being sober is when I am at my best, athletically, and the same can be said for the vast majority of athletes. Anyone devoted to pushing the limits of our strength, speed, stamina, overall fitness, and athletic techniques and abilities understand how awesome sobriety can be. "Horrible" is certainly not a word I would use to describe being sober.

It obviously is also incredibly useful to have a clear mind during more intellectual matters. That is not to say one should not enjoy the benefits of alcohol or other stimulants on occasion, like some AMFs or some OG Kush, or something more psychedelic.

That's lovely. I also seem to remember mentioning I didn't speak for everyone. But that's cool too.

 

[Aštra’el]

And what has religion killed?

• The Crusades: 6,000,000
• Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
• French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
• Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
• Lebanese Civil War: 250,000
• Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
• Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
• Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
• Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
• Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
• Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000
• Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000
• First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
• Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
• The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
• Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000
• Iraq War: 500,000
• US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000
• Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
• Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000
• AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000
• Spanish Inquisition: 5,000

The obvious inaccuracy of these numbers you've conjured up aside, not a single human being has ever been killed "by religion".

 

[roger1440]

• Alcohol is a factor in almost half of all traffic fatalities

The other half would be sober, true?

 

[Nietzsche]

The other half would be sober, true?

You're more likely to survive if you're hammered too, so that's a solid point in alcohol's corner!

 

[roger1440]

You're more likely to survive if you're hammered too, so that's a solid point in alcohol's corner!

I didn't even get to the part where I ask, "where did these stats come from?"

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The obvious inaccuracy of these numbers you've conjured up aside, not a single human being has ever been killed "by religion".

The people killed in those conflicts & situations listed by @Evangelicalhumanist would beg to differ if they could.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The obvious inaccuracy of these numbers you've conjured up aside, not a single human being has ever been killed "by religion".

Oh, please, do grow up! Our beliefs inform our actions, and always have. If you try to tell me that the burning alive of Giordano Bruno was not because he said things that the Church denied, and for no other reason under the sun, then make your case -- I'm listening. But so far as I am aware right now, it was 100% a belief in the authority of the Bible over the evidence presented by nature itself that was at fault. And the fault was not nature -- it was religion!

I can provide you very real, very historical evidence of thousands of deaths caused by missionaries trying to spread their faith. Look at the deaths (and child rape) in the residential school system (for natives) in Canada. It's disgusting. And it was based entirely on religious belief.

If you want more examples, ask me.

 

[Aštra’el]

The people killed in those conflicts & situations listed by @Evangelicalhumanist would beg to differ if they could.

And they would all be incorrect.

People kill people. A religion is a belief system, not some entity capable of killing. Humans who kill choose to kill, or instinctively kill, or accidentally kill, but however influenced or compelled by religion they may be, it is the human(s) who kill(s), not the religion.

@Evangelicalhumanist

Would you not like to see people individually and collectively take more accountability for their choices and actions rather than blaming it all on religion?

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

So are you going to put a prohibition on furniture?
Because that is the problem with statistic learning is that basically furniture here is the number one villain.

I think there was a prohibition once though I think it was for abuses by drunken people on women and children.

 

[MD]

This guy is tearin **** up! Lol

 

[sovietchild]

While I agree that accidents involving alcohol are reprehensible, do not confuse that with "murder." That's a legal definition, and it doesn't fit.

Don't play with statistics -- you can only go wrong. Unless you can find a causative correlation, it's just a silly game, and almost always unrevealing of anything we can learn from.

And about one person dies every 4 seconds due to starvation -- 450 times as many as die by drunk driving. Care to make a point about that?

And what has religion killed?

• The Crusades: 6,000,000
• Thirty Years War: 11,500,000
• French Wars of Religion: 4,000,000
• Second Sudanese Civil War: 2,000,000
• Lebanese Civil War: 250,000
• Muslim Conquests of India: 80,000,000
• Congolese Genocide (King Leopold II): 13,000,000
• Armenian Genocide: 1,500,000
• Rwandan Genocide: 800,000
• Eighty Years' War: 1,000,000
• Nigerian Civil War: 1,000,000
• Great Peasants' Revolt: 250,000
• First Sudanese Civil War: 1,000,000
• Jewish Diaspora (Not Including the Holocaust): 1,000,000
• The Holocaust (Jewish and Homosexual Deaths): 6,500,000
• Islamic Terrorism Since 2000: 150,000
• Iraq War: 500,000
• US Western Expansion (Justified by "Manifest Destiny"):20,000,000
• Atlantic Slave Trade (Justified by Christianity): 14,000,000
• Aztec Human Sacrifice: 80,000
• AIDS deaths in Africa largely due to opposition to condoms: 30,000,000
• Spanish Inquisition: 5,000
• TOTAL: 195,035,000 deaths in the name of religion.

Maybe we should keep booze and get rid of religion, eh?

Humans are a factor in 100% of all traffic fatalities. Solution?

Every other second, a person dies of starvation. Solve it by banning something, if you can.

Thank you for your post. It was more then I expected and I don't feel like debating with everything that you have just posted especially that 500,000 Iraq war thing, however I must post this list of top 10 murder nations.

Do you think alcohol is a fuel for their ways? And If those nations ban alcohol could it help?

There reason I'm asking is because drunks are known to cause trouble. " Alcohol reduces our ability to think straight," says Professor McMurran

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

1.Honduras 84.6 5,936 Americas Central America 2014
2.El Salvador 64.2 3,921 Americas Central America 2014
3.Venezuela 62.0 19,030 Americas South America 2014
4.United States Virgin Islands (US) 52.6 56 Americas Caribbean 2010
5.Lesotho 38.0 764 Africa Southern Africa 2010
6.Jamaica 36.1 1,005 Americas Caribbean 2012
7.Belize 34.4 121 Americas Central America 2014
8.Saint Kitts and Nevis 33.6 18 Americas Caribbean
9.South Africa 33.0 17,805 Africa Southern Africa
10. Guatemala 31.2 4,998 Americas Central America

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

The biggest killer is nature and should be banned.

I thought we were going to make robotic trash sorters.

 

[Shaul]

In Islam drinking was forbidden for many reasons and one of the reason is murder. People would get drunk and start killing each other.

Yes, it's a well known fact that there are no murders in Islamic countries....
;-)

 

[Shaul]

Why are religionists so bad at statistical analysis?
Tom

There are three kinds of religionists, those that can use statistics and those that can't. ;-)