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[LHP only] What is left hand path?
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Here is a perfect example of why the lhp does not equate to heterodoxy. When I drive my car, I try my best not to speed. Speed limits aren't even something spiritual, they're random man made laws. Do I not speed because I bow before the State? Certainly not, I avoid speeding because of the damage that comes to me if caught. The rules and reasons are irrelevant, I'm simply protecting my own best interests. I'd be limited without funds or transportation, even more so when it comes to breaking laws with a serious prison sentence. So not only is the LHP not all about heterodoxy, practitioners can even integrate rhp ideology into their practices and lives in a selfish way.
Not speeding is profitable, speeding can be unprofitable. You are using your brain regarding it. That doesn't make it RHP.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's only RHP if you obey the speed limit for the sake of obeying the law. But speeding just for the sake of breaking the law still has the law holding power over you.
Personally, I only really watch my speed when I know there is an elevated chance of getting caught if I'm speeding.
Me too!
Say that you're on the road with a speed limit of 50 miles per hour. That speed limit is a form of Order, such as represented by Horus or other kingly symbols. It is instilled by the state and violating it ends in punishment.
For the right hand path (ERHP, ELHP, WRHP) they are concerned with the speed limit (order) because it is instilled by those in the rule ship positions. Both ERHP and WRHP follow it because they believe it makes them good people, whereas the ELHP violates it specifically because it is heterodox to do so. The WLHP, or simply the Left Hand Path, follows the speed limit because of their own self-protection, and violate it when the violation outweighs the risk, or there is no risk. The ruler is irrelevant, the decision comes from the Self.
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Gotcha!
One step further . . . the WLHP become one of the Lawmakers involved in mandating speeding laws to suit their fancy or a police officer devoid of rules
Gotcha!
One step further . . . the WLHP become one of the Lawmakers involved in mandating speeding laws to suit their fancy or a police officer devoid of rules
Precisely!
EtuMalku
Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Sure, why not?
Taoism seem rather neutral to me
What is the Left-Hand Path? It is the way of those who study and practice the knowledge and wisdom they have obtained through their own hard work and either triumph or fail, and in the case of the later they learn to land on their feet via their own will and continue on. What is the Right-Hand Path? It is the way of the sheeple who strictly rely on some god-form, Jesus, God, Mohammad, or Allah or what ever to take them by the hand and lead them around like blind followers through all the obstacles of life. And whether they triumph or fail, well, "It's Gods Will".
What do you think? LHP = My Will Be Done? RHP = Thy (Gods) Will Be Done?
Or is it altogether something else?
There have been times when I have failed in life in various ways but I eventually landed on my feet and continued on, worked hard, and eventually triumphed and conquered. During the hard times I may have at times blamed a certain god, but I knew deep within that it was my own fault or life situations. I don't think we can be in complete control of every aspect of our life nor expect some other god to protect us from the hard times. How we handle the trials and tribulations in life is a testament to the strength and power of our own Being.
What do you think? LHP = My Will Be Done? RHP = Thy (Gods) Will Be Done?
Or is it altogether something else?
There have been times when I have failed in life in various ways but I eventually landed on my feet and continued on, worked hard, and eventually triumphed and conquered. During the hard times I may have at times blamed a certain god, but I knew deep within that it was my own fault or life situations. I don't think we can be in complete control of every aspect of our life nor expect some other god to protect us from the hard times. How we handle the trials and tribulations in life is a testament to the strength and power of our own Being.
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ThirtyThree
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Everyone does their own will, even when they claim they are doing the will of their deity.
To me it is more like:
LHP = Self-(de)/(re)programming paradigm. Succeeding via transgression, magic (ritual), or ecstatic stimuli. Fails to: Excessive rationalization, close-mindedness, hubris, hedonism, self-delusion, solipsism, stubbornness, scene kid mentality, selfishness, and douche-baggery in general.
RHP = Self-forsaking paradigm. Succeeding through devotion, abstinence, humility, prayer, and quieting the mind. Failing to sheepishness, slavery, dogma, tradition, extremism, too much generosity, boot licking, too much faith placed in holy texts or gurus, hypocrisy in action (following the path supposedly, but breaking the rules), and intolerance.
Both mechanisms obviously lead to a direct experience of the divine. If none of these are parts of your practice you just need top stop pretending you are on a path that achieves anything -- you apparently already know it all.
Everyone wants their choice to be the best one, and it is obviously bull**** when either way you work you end up somewhere in the middle. The true LHP goes left to reject the cultural mind control system and taste the forbidden fruit -- by doing so repeatedly you become less and less attached to the work-a-day mentality and eventually arrive where the yogis do. However, you can fall to all of the demons and either waste your time spinning your tires in a rut or become a know-it-all and stop learning a damn thing from right there on. There is nothing stopping you from closing your mind up at any time and mentally fapping to your delusions.You cannot intellectualize and be participating in the journey either. It makes absolutely no sense to do either of these paths if rational criteria be the sole judge. Both of these ideas are basically absurd aren't they? It is so much easier to become a wage slave, have 2.5 kids, and consume! Continue to mince every word onward to nowhere-ville! Doubt all things under the sun! Place thy head betwixt legs into an infinite hole of reason, and keep going until you suffocate in nihilistic madness! None of these things seem desirable to me...
As you can see by my list there... I consider very few people on any path at all... nearly 90% of what fancies themselves LHP are do-nothings, and 90% of what calls themselves RHP are do-nothings.
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Eh, not really the same thing... They're doing the whole "my thoughts suck" zen thing... Magical trance has thoughts...
Well, mine does... Anyway, they aren't the same thing. Not from a practical point of view... Throwing oneself directly into spiritual ecstasy through chanting an invocation would be exactly the type of experience our poor monk would fear. Usually, they want to get there by accident... 
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
Lol, what?
So you don't speed because you fear consequences. Rational self interest right? The mantra of inactivity.
The LHP propper is about challenging yourself by doing those very things you fear to do(even when that fear is couched in 'self interest'
Otherwise you are just fellating yourself with wordplay.
Fear couched in self interest? Losing my money to a parking ticket isn't worth the speeding, just like killing someone wouldn't be worth the life sentence. Self preservation is not equivalent to fear, I have nothing to prove to myself or to our society.
I disagree. Most people do not seem to have it within them to step outside themselves. Catholics may not be slaves to a god, but they are to the institution founded around that god.