What is nonbinary?

[ImmortalFlame]

Honestly I think that in Mediterranean cultures the feminine and the masculine are very extreme notions.
I was raised to believe that a person who enjoys having sex with a woman and to be the active part is the emblem of masculinity, manliness, manhood, virility.

A person can have sex with men and still be the emblem of masculinity, manliness, manhood and virility.

Not that that has anything to do with whether or not they are bisexual or trans, however.

So what you do in bed defines who we are.
We are not separated from what we do in bed.

This seems extremely weird, considering what we do in bed is entirely private and bares little to no relevancy in our public lives.

Non-binary, I guess was invented to make the feminine and the masculine more nuanced.

It's not really an "invented" category. Gender, even biological gender, has always been bimodal.

I will not be a part of this.
I don't accept this notion.

Then you can continue to be wrong. That's fine.

I am extremely proud of being raised in a Mediterranean culture, where masculine and feminine are perfectly defined.

Except, according to you, it's defined almost entirely by what you do in private, which can't be openly or objectively determined. So it's not exactly "perfectly" defined because, short of spying on someone in their private life, you cannot possibly assess anyone's masculinity or femininity.

I prefer a world that is more honest.

 

[Estro Felino]

Except, according to you, it's defined almost entirely by what you do in private, which can't be openly or objectively determined. So it's not exactly "perfectly" defined because, short of spying on someone in their private life, you cannot possibly assess anyone's masculinity or femininity.

I prefer a world that is more honest.

There's no private or public...
I was raised in a culture where people have never covered up their sex lives.
In small villages of Southern Italy it would be impossible to keep it secret, anyway.

I have this vision of sexuality. I am sorry.
But I respect your vision as well. I do understand it.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Look at the crowd, children of all ages, are you defending this group really

I see babies and adults. Personally, I see nothing wrong with adults choosing to bring their babies to a show that may have sexual content.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

There's no private or public...

Yes there is.

I was raised in a culture where people have never covered up their sex lives.

It's not about "covering them up". It's about being honest and having access to privacy if you want it.

In small villages of Southern Italy it would be impossible to keep it secret, anyway.

False. Closeted people exist.

I have this vision of sexuality. I am sorry.
But I respect your vision as well. I do understand it.

I'm not sure you do understand it, since you make bizarre statements such as "as far as I know, this person doesn't have sex with men. Just with a woman. So he's straight."

If you don't understand why this statement shows a fundamental misunderstanding of bisexuality, then you do not understand sexuality.

 

[Estro Felino]

If you don't understand why this statement shows a fundamental misunderstanding of bisexuality, then you do not understand sexuality.

I cannot understand what bisexuality is because I am into males only. I can't understand what it's like to be attracted to both genders.
But I do understand sexuality perfectly.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I cannot understand what bisexuality is because I am into males only.

I only like tea with milk and sugar in it. That doesn't mean I fundamentally do not understand the concept of a person who likes tea without milk or sugar in it. What you have said would be equivalent to saying someone cannot possibly be considered a person who "likes tea" if they only take their tea without milk or sugar.

It's not a hard thing to understand, and yet you don't understand it.

I can't understand what it's like to be attracted to both genders.
But I do understand sexuality perfectly.

No, you don't. You believe a person with a penis having sex with a woman cannot be bisexual or nonbinary. You do not understand sexuality, much less "perfectly".

You're welcome to ask questions.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I know that a very famous Italian You-Tuber defines himself as non-binary.
Well...he dresses in an extravagant way and paints his own nails.

But as far as I know...he has a pretty girlfriend and I guess theirs is not a platonic relationship.
I really don't understand why a heterosexual male who has sex with a heterosexual woman, should be considered LGBT.

On the flipside, I don't know why we would ever exclude the possibility that someone in a relationship with a person of the opposite sex might be bi.

 

[VoidCat]

Back to the topic on hand...if anyone has questions about being nonbinary asked in good faith im willing to answer them.

 

[Estro Felino]

On the flipside, I don't know why we would ever exclude the possibility that someone in a relationship with a person of the opposite sex might be bi.

I would like to know what non-binary has to do with bisexuality.

 

[VoidCat]

I would like to know what non-binary has to do with bisexuality.

Bi just means the person is attracted to two or more genders. A nonbinary person can be bi as they could be attracted to both men and women.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I would like to know what non-binary has to do with bisexuality.

Nothing. It was a response to your own off-topic statement:

I really don't understand why a heterosexual male who has sex with a heterosexual woman, should be considered LGBT.

What do you think the "B" stands for?

 

[Estro Felino]

Nothing. It was a response to your own off-topic statement:

I really don't understand why a heterosexual male who has sex with a heterosexual woman, should be considered LGBT.

What do you think the "B" stands for?

I was referring to men who are into girls only.

 

[Estro Felino]

Bi just means the person is attracted to two or more genders. A nonbinary person can be bi as they could be attracted to both men and women.

Thanks, I get it now.
So they are two separated concepts.

 

[VoidCat]

Thanks, I get it now.
So they are two separated concepts.

Yep

 

[Colt]

If they experience their gender as neither man nor woman... What do they experience it as? What else is there?

"Some people who are nonbinary experience their gender as both man and woman, and others experience their gender as neither man nor woman."

What Does It Mean to Be Nonbinary?

The term “nonbinary” is often used to describe someone whose gender identity isn’t exclusively male or female. It can also be used as an umbrella term.

www.healthline.com

If you can change your sex, then you can change your race. Next people will be transracial.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I cannot understand what bisexuality is because I am into males only. I can't understand what it's like to be attracted to both genders.
But I do understand sexuality perfectly.

Understanding doesn't mean having to participate. You know what it is like to feel attraction. To understand a gay man, all you have to do is realize that he has the same feelings you do when looking at another man. I happen to like brussels sprouts, and liver -- 2 things many other people don't like. But to understand how someone can not like something that you do, all you have to do is imagine something that you yourself don't like, and realize that they are reacting to what you like in exactly the same way.

You might visit Androgyny on Wikipedia, and learn that such people (who express both male and female characteristics) have been well known and documented since ancient Sumer.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Still no one has answered the question.
If you dress in a sexually perverted provocative way at every gay event, every protest, every gathering.
How do you think as a group you will be perceived.
Don’t blame those who look on and see this, blame those who are setting a poor example for the community.

I wonder if you even know that the vast majority of gay people dress in very much the same way as everybody else in their communities. In every area of human life, there are outliers (good or bad, laughable or pitiable). I've seen straight men (and women) dress in quite outlandish costumes, but I don't draw the conclusion that all straight people must therefore do so. So why the hell are you beating this dead horse?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

If you can change your sex, then you can change your race. Next people will be transracial.

Oh, please! Children born with hare lips or cleft palettes or spina bifida can be surgically helped to live happy, normal lives. Or is it your preference that since "they were born that way, they should stay that way!"?

Procrustes thought that he could change people's height so that they could all fit in the same bed -- and that didn't work out well for anyone.

There are times to help people through difficulties, and their are times when it is better to simply accept them as they are. A little wisdom and empathy could help you figure that out.

 

[SkepticThinker]

There are no non binary people

Except for the fact that we've got people telling us that they are.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If your non binary why is he/him one of your pronouns.
How screwed up is a person that is so deluded as to believe you have no gender.

people don't call me whatever they want, and I don't tell them what to call me, they call me what I am.
Only your community demands to be called anything, and do you ever wonder why you have to advertise your pronouns, it's because they don't match your biology.

Cool. Have a great day Shirley!