What is nonbinary?

[mikkel_the_dane]

Biology.

And that also happens in the brain and not just between the legs.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Biology.

Then I suppose you do a physical examination and genetic testing when you meet someone in order to determine their sex?

 

[wellwisher]

What is the difference between a tomboy female and a transman? What exactly is it that makes someone a man or a female?

There is a bizarre Liberal dance going on in the Liberal state where I live. There is a coming restriction of an abortion pill, and a group of women are protesting this as an assault on the rights of women. This is fine. However, not long ago, many of the people in that same group, would not define what a woman was, to leave the options open for the new fad of gender bending.

The state, with the help of the new female Governor, is stockpiling the drug ahead of any possible ruling, since the restriction will be more about future sales, but not about using up inventory. The strange thing is how the definition of women has become more restricted and classic, due to the abortion pills, to counter well the Left's war on women in sports.

What would happen if a biological male; born as a male, dressed or fully modified into a "woman", took those pills, since these pills were not designed for a natural male, no matter how he dresses. Who would be liable if he/she was told he was a women, and being a "women", decided to eat the abortion pill after sex and something went wrong? This may be where hard reality comes up against fantasy. Practical can sometimes break through the hypnotic trance of the fantasy and add clarity.

I do not like the labels; binary male or cis-male. These were all chosen for me by the Left, which likes to control the language game to give itself the upper hand. Why does the Left get to define me? I want to be able to define myself, and be called a natural male, to make it clear, in terms of female medicines, like an abortion pill. By natural male, I mean someone who is being organic from conception to maturity and through life, with no artificial additives needed to define my sex. Trans is full of artificial additives and is therefore not organic or nor very green. I would accept organic male or natural male to clarify my organic and green sexual nature from cradle to grave.

The Left is big on eating organic; only eat natural foods. They want to be more green, which again means to work with nature and not against nature. They then are being taught to spoil this trends back to natural, by going artificial in terms of sexual identity, since transitioning needing lots of artificial additives. It all not happen organically. If you read the consumer warnings tattooed on my back, it says all natural ingredients, consistent with other popular Lefty fads.

If you look at the earth and climate change, the Lefty consensus of science, see the problem caused by human actions that are not natural, organic or green, but are too heavy on artificial. Does anyone see a pattern in terms of future problems created by artificial?

Teachers are not allowing student to evolve in natural way, but are adding intellectual artificial additives. In a symbolic sense they are burning intellectual fossil fuels, poisoning the natural male and female, with junk food for the mind. We need the terms natural and organic male and natural and organic female to differentiate individuals, who wish to remain organic and green, to save the planet, by avoiding a future social warming that further messes with natural; cyborgs. Sex change is only the beginning. Soon people will wonder if two arms is just social construct, and one arm needs to be fake. Iwill continue to stay natural and organic as a beacon in terms of the earth.

 

[crossfire]

You are born a man or a woman, nothing else exists other then in the mind of a delusional person.

Just because one might be born a man or a woman, it does not mean that one must conform to the cultural stereotypes associated with a man or a woman (binary.) To believe one must conform to cultural stereotypes is truly delusional. Nonbinary does not conform to binary gender stereotypes.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Good, don’t follow the Bible if you feel that way.
the issue is not with people that are Gay, or live a Gay lifestyle.
My issue is with people that follow Religions that are anti gay and twist the teachings to suit their lifestyle.
My issue is with the people who act perverted, the Gays that do not should also be offended as the people are making the Gay community look like an over sexualised pack of deviates, decent Gay people should be against this.
My issue is with any form of sexualised show for children, men dancing in thongs, signs saying lick it, you should be standing against this behaviour because whenever we see people in the Gay community that is the behaviour we see.

You see what you want to see -- what you are looking for. I am aware that there are some who behave in ways that I would not, but I do not set myself up as judge and jury over them.

 

[Madmogwai]

You see what you want to see -- what you are looking for. I am aware that there are some who behave in ways that I would not, but I do not set myself up as judge and jury over them.

Absolute nonsense, you see what is presented to you.
The way people present themselves at the events I mentioned is seen by me because it simply is as I said perverse.
Are you telling me someone else will see a Mardi gra differently, what do they see then, a group wearing business suits.
It’s the majority that present themselves in this Sam smith style of get up.
They are not doing the community any favours with this behaviour.
I am not judging them, a higher power will, but I certainly can have an opinion.

 

[Madmogwai]

Just because one might be born a man or a woman, it does not mean that one must conform to the cultural stereotypes associated with a man or a woman (binary.) To believe one must conform to cultural stereotypes is truly delusional. Nonbinary does not conform to binary gender stereotypes.

You can call yourself a woman sure, and live like one.
Does not make you one, be a non conformist if you like but show me a child born of one of these so called woman.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You can call yourself a woman sure, and live like one.
Does not make you one, be a non conformist if you like but show me a child born of one of these so called woman.

So, if a person doesn't or can't give birth to a baby, they're not a woman?

 

[Madmogwai]

If a man transitions into a woman and commits a crime leaving behind DNA, Detectives will be searching for a man not a woman.
If archaeologists find the bones of this person 1 million years from now they will be placed in a museum as a male.

 

[Madmogwai]

So, if a person doesn't or can't give birth to a baby, they're not a woman?

Unless it’s a woman with defects preventing it, still is a woman for obvious reasons.
The attempts made to twist the sexual genders of people is truly comical.
If a woman has a hysterectomy she is still a woman.
Can a trans woman have one, no.

 

[Orbit]

Good, don’t follow the Bible if you feel that way.
the issue is not with people that are Gay, or live a Gay lifestyle.
My issue is with people that follow Religions that are anti gay and twist the teachings to suit their lifestyle.
My issue is with the people who act perverted, the Gays that do not should also be offended as the people are making the Gay community look like an over sexualised pack of deviates, decent Gay people should be against this.
My issue is with any form of sexualised show for children, men dancing in thongs, signs saying lick it, you should be standing against this behaviour because whenever we see people in the Gay community that is the behaviour we see.

OT. Jesus came to replace the law, so his words matter more.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Unless it’s a woman with defects preventing it, still is a woman for obvious reasons.

Right, so your statement "show me a child born of one of these so called woman" is completely erroneous, then?

The attempts made to twist the sexual genders of people is truly comical.

I'm glad you're getting a kick out of it.

If a woman has a hysterectomy she is still a woman.

Well, earlier you suggested that being unable to produce a child meant they weren't a woman. So which is it?

Can a trans woman have one, no.

See, you're flip flopping. Since you have already stated that the ability to have a baby is not an essential part of being a woman, what relevance does a trans woman's ability to have children have?

Let's imagine we were able to perfect a medical procedure that allowed trans women to become pregnant and give birth. Would you consider them women then?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

If a man transitions into a woman and commits a crime leaving behind DNA, Detectives will be searching for a man not a woman.

They will be searching for a biological male or female, yes.

If archaeologists find the bones of this person 1 million years from now they will be placed in a museum as a male.

This is a very weird statement. What if archaeologists in the future have a completely different concept of gender, and instead identified it as something else entirely?

 

[Madmogwai]

OT. Jesus came to replace the law, so his words matter more.

New Testament

"Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female',and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate."

— Matthew 19:4–6 (NRSV)

Romans 1:26–27

is commonly cited as one instance of New Testament teaching against homosexuality:

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved

New Testament, the laws of Jesus, who also said Marriage is between a Man and a woman.
No sex before Marriage.

I am Buddhist, take Religion out of the equation, put a naked man next to a naked woman, it’s not hard to see what goes where.

 

[Madmogwai]

Right, so your statement "show me a child born of one of these so called woman" is completely erroneous, then?


I'm glad you're getting a kick out of it.


Well, earlier you suggested that being unable to produce a child meant they weren't a woman. So which is it?


See, you're flip flopping. Since you have already stated that the ability to have a baby is not an essential part of being a woman, what relevance does a trans woman's ability to have children have?

Let's imagine we were able to perfect a medical procedure that allowed trans women to become pregnant and give birth. Would you consider them women then?

Ok then, show me a trans woman who has given birth, I can show you billions of woman but not one trans.
To argue that a woman then who cannot give birth is the same as a trans woman is pathetic.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Ok then, show me a trans woman who has given birth, I can show you billions of woman but not one trans.

Once again, you have already admitted that not all woman can or do give birth, but that does not make them not women. So, how does pointing out that a person can't give birth mean that they are not a woman?

To argue that a woman then who cannot give birth is the same as a trans woman is pathetic.

You're the one suggesting that we cannot call someone a woman because they can't give birth. I'm just pointing out that that's really poor logic.

And you haven't answered my question. If we were able to perfect a surgery that allowed trans women to get pregnant and give birth, would you then consider them women?

 

[Madmogwai]

Once again, you have already admitted that not all woman can or do give birth, but that does not make them not women, so what would doing that prove?


You're the one suggesting that we cannot call someone a woman because they can't give birth. I'm just pointing out that that's really poor logic.

And you haven't answered my question. If we were able to perfect a surgery that allowed trans women to get pregnant and give birth, would you then consider them women?

No, they would be a Man with Surgery.
Just like a woman who cannot give birth is a woman.
And a trans woman who cannot give birth is a result of them being a man.

 

[Madmogwai]

I had 3 trans people at my Wedding, they live as woman but in Thailand they call them lady boy, not lady, as they understand they are a man playing the role of a woman.
They are not going to lie and call themselves a lady.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No, they would be a Man with Surgery.

So the ability to get pregnant and have babies has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they are a man or a woman.

That's the point. Your own argument is incoherent.

"Trans woman aren't women; they can't give birth."
"What if they could give birth?"
"They still wouldn't be women."

A+ logic there, buddy.

Just like a woman who cannot give birth is a woman.

Like a trans woman.

And a trans woman who cannot give birth is a result of them being a man.

Even if they CAN give birth, according to you.

You're like a broken record, but a broken record that is taped together from multiple, conflicting records that totally contradict each other.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I had 3 trans people at my Wedding, they live as woman but in Thailand they call them lady boy, not lady, as they understand they are a man playing the role of a woman.
They are not going to lie and call themselves a lady.

So, your experience of three people defeats all facts, medical experts, history and millions of people around the world?