What is nonbinary?

[Madmogwai]

So the ability to get pregnant and have babies has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they are a man or a woman.

That's the point. Your own argument is incoherent.

"Trans woman aren't women; they can't give birth."
"What if they could give birth?"
"They still wouldn't be women."

A+ logic there, buddy.


Like a trans woman.


Even if they CAN give birth, according to you.

You're like a broken record, but a broken record that is taped together from multiple, conflicting records that totally contradict each other.

What is a woman then

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What is a woman then

A label that one self-identifies as or adopts.

 

[Madmogwai]

A label that one self-identifies as or adopts.

A label for what, a woman is more then a label.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The facts are simple, they will always be men, regardless of how they live.
Your the one living a lie.

You can't even get your own facts straight. According to you, if you can't give birth you can't be considered a woman, unless you already are a woman, then you're a woman by default.

I, on the other hand, understand that gender is a social construct, and don't have to lie by making up random rules that make no sense and contradict just because I believe something without any good reason to.

 

[Madmogwai]

Tell me what it is that makes a woman a woman, is it so hard.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

A label for what, a woman is more then a label.

Not really. What constitutes a "woman" has always varied throughout history and culture. It's a label we use to define a collection of subjective and arbitrary traits, none of which are constant or strictly necessary.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Tell me what it is that makes a woman a woman, is it so hard.

If they identify as a woman.

 

[Madmogwai]

You can't even get your own facts straight. According to you, if you can't give birth you can't be considered a woman, unless you already are a woman, then you're a woman by default.

I, on the other hand, understand that gender is a social construct, and don't have to lie by making up random rules that make no sense and contradict just because I believe something without any good reason to.

Is a penis formed through this social construct

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Is a penis formed through this social construct

Is a penis a defining trait of whether or not someone is a man?

If I castrated you, do you cease to be a man?

Before you refer to anybody as "him" do you have a quick look in their pants?

 

[Madmogwai]

If they identify as a woman.

And what is it they identify has, what is a woman

 

[Madmogwai]

Not really. What constitutes a "woman" has always varied throughout history and culture. It's a label we use to define a collection of subjective and arbitrary traits, none of which are constant or strictly necessary.

No, it has never varied.
That is woke propaganda.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

And what is it they identify has, what is a woman

The label they identify with.

That's literally it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No, it has never varied.
That is woke propaganda.

So you believe the idea of what constitutes a woman has always been completely consistent in all cultures throughout all of history?

You have a lot of work ahead of you.

 

[Madmogwai]

The label they identify with.

That's literally it.

So a woman is simply a term.
A term for what, how would you paint a picture of a woman for an Alien Doctor

 

[Madmogwai]

So you believe the idea of what constitutes a woman has always been completely consistent in all cultures throughout all of history?

You have a lot of work ahead of you.

Generally yes, I travel and photograph villages and tribes around the world.
They know exactly what they are.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So a woman is simply a term.

Yes.

A term for what, how would you paint a picture of a woman for an Alien Doctor

A label we use to associate ourselves or others with a very loose and extremely broad set of criteria and social expectations too broad to define in simple terms.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Generally yes, I travel and photograph villages and tribes around the world.
They know exactly what they are.

If you say so, chuck.

But I'll go with the people who have ACTUALLY studied this.

So, if I castrated you, would you cease being a man? Yes or no?

 

[Madmogwai]

Yes.


A label we use to associate ourselves or others with a very loose and extremely broad set of criteria and social expectations too broad to define in simple terms.

It’s not difficult, it’s easy when you look to the truth.

 

[Madmogwai]

If you say so, chuck.

But I'll go with the people who have ACTUALLY studied this.

So, if I castrated you, would you cease being a man? Yes or no?

No

 

[Madmogwai]

No

Common sense, I would be a castrated man