Are there other mammals who make a point of always hiding their genitalia in the same manner as humans? If any other mammals happen to do the same as humans, is it considered bad form to reveal another's private parts?
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What is nonbinary?
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No. But what does that have to do with biology, or anything I've said?
I'm not talking about stereotype gender roles, I'm talking about biological facts.
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Nonbinary is used mostly for a social term. There are intersexed or hermaphroditic people, born with traits characteristic of male/female sex.
True. Maybe we need to get rid of these social terms/stereotypes; just because you prefer football over knitting does not mean you are boy, or just because you like romance movies over violent movies doesn't make you a girl; and we shouldn’t be teaching our children to think that way.
Non binary transgresses sociological gender stereotypes, not necessarily biological sexes. Humans customarily keep the relevant biological parts hidden. Non binary highlights this disconnect between human sociological gender stereotypes and biological sex. Ignoring this phenomenon and trying to repress it and dismiss it is not going to magically make this disconnect go away.
I disagree. If we got rid of the sexist gender stereotypes and started addressing everybody according to their biology, there would be no more disconnect thus no more problem. Do you agree? If not, explain why.
Some, if not most, would most likely prefer to keep their biological markers covered up and hidden, and that others would do the same. I know I would. Stay the bleep out of my pants.
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Okay. So, when you meet someone, do you check all of these things before you refer to them as a man or a woman?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
How could biological labels "avoid confusion"? It's practically impossible to identify people's biology, whereas just asking someone means there is no confusion.
Yes, I do disagree. Because biological sex in mammals is a actually not binary, it's bimodal. This has been understood in science for decades.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
The joke about this, is that science has moved on and know it is not that simple. But science is what was taught as high-school level in the past and that is absolute and can't change, because science is absolute.
When I say go by their biology, I’m not talking about inspecting their sex organs, everybody knows what their sex organs are like, so they know if they are a biological male or female. Now if they want to pretend they are something they are not, they can do that; but at least they know they are only pretending. I’m saying if you are going to redefine gender to mean something different than biological sex, and define it in a way that nobody knows what it is other than the person making the claim, maybe we should get rid of the term all together. I can’t think of any other word that we allow to be defined in such an absurd way; can you?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
You did read that there is one case of a human having both XX and XY. So your standard is false as per science.
Of course not! You go by how they look! If you get it wrong, they will tell you.
Trans-men and trans-women are fully aware of what their biology is. There is no reason to do some sort of an inspection; just ask if you feel a need to know.
What’s the difference?
Natural sciences (chemistry, biology, physics,) does not address the trans-gender issues; that is under the theoretical type sciences like sociology, psychology, etc.
There are also rare cases of people born with XYX, chromosomes, people born with male sex organs and female chromosomes, or a variety of other such anomalies. This is the case with all mammals; dogs, cats, bears, even humans. This is called intersex. But this anomaly is not normal any more than it is normal for people to be born with anything other than 5 fingers on each hand.Yeah; some people are born with 6 fingers, 2 fingers, 3; but nobody claims the number of fingers humans have is on a spectrum, everybody knows it is normal for humans to be born with 5 fingers; and when this does not happen, a medical doctor can examine the person and tell them exactly what went wrong and why they don’t have 5 fingers. I’m not talking about this; I’m talking about people who are not intersex claiming they are something other than what their biology say they are.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
You are so much a normie, that I hope you never get any actual power over any other human.
Gender is not the same as biological sex. Inanimate objects without biology get linguistically gendered in most languages, so stop pretending that it is.
This thread is about nonbinary, not trans. Two different things, just as sex and gender are two different things.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
But don't you get it!!! If you are an abnormal variation, you are abnormal.
These posters confuse normal as descriptive versus normal as norm. And claim they are the same kind of normal. They are dangerous to any variation in being a human, because no human is that kind of normal. We are all variations, yet they are the subjective normal as objective. That is their trick.