What is nonbinary?

[crossfire]

But don't you get it!!! If you are an abnormal variation, you are abnormal.
These posters confuse normal as descriptive versus normal as norm. And claim they are the same kind of normal. They are dangerous to any variation in being a human, because no human is that kind of normal. We are all variations, yet they are the subjective normal as objective. That is their trick.

Yet, ironically, they are the ones complaining about claiming something is something that it is not. I'm not surprised.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yet, ironically, they are the ones complaining about claiming something is something that it is not. I'm not surprised.

Here is a simple example I learned from many years ago:
Person #1: I am objective as right and you are not for how we ought to live as humans.
Person #2: No, it is so in reverse. I am objective...
Me: Have you both consider that you are both subjective.
Both to me: You are so wrong!!! We are not subjective, you are!!!

 

[crossfire]

Here is a simple example I learned from many years ago:
Person #1: I am objective as right and you are not for how we ought to live as humans.
Person #2: No, it is so in reverse. I am objective...
Me: Have you both consider that you are both subjective.
Both to me: You are so wrong!!! We are not subjective, you are!!!

Confusing subjectively derived content for the objective is called delusion. All sentient beings are vulnerable to this.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Confusing subjectively derived content for the objective is called delusion. All sentient beings are vulnerable to this.

Yeah. And notice this is about me as me. Since I am a high functioning crazy person, I have had to learn that to cope with being me. The side effect is that I can spot low level everyday non-crazy delusional behavior in other humans.

 

[Kfox]

Gender is not the same as biological sex.

If you read what I said, I made that point that it has been redefined to mean something different than biological sex.

Inanimate objects without biology get linguistically gendered in most languages, so stop pretending that it is.

Inanimate objects??? What on Earth are you talking about? Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

This thread is about nonbinary, not trans. Two different things, just as sex and gender are two different things.

The point I was addressing was not about trans nor non binary, it was about intersex; hence my response.

 

[Kfox]

You are so much a normie, that I hope you never get any actual power over any other human.

Too late! I already do!

 

[crossfire]

If you read what I said, I made that point that it has been redefined to mean something different than biological sex.

Inanimate objects??? What on Earth are you talking about? Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

The point I was addressing was not about trans nor non binary, it was about intersex; hence my response.

Yes, inanimate objects get gendered. One example is that we call ships she.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Too late! I already do!

Yeah, that makes it even worse.

 

[Kfox]

Yes, inanimate objects get gendered. One example is that we call ships she.

What does this have to say with anything I've said thus far?

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is happening because society is allowing it, we are a society of degenerates who need to stand up for truth, not feelings.
People will very soon turn on the LGTB community as we are being forced to agree, and now the perverse members are targeting our children.

I'm not forced , nor will I ever be. ;0]

 

[Kfox]

Yeah, that makes it even worse.

Only worse for you, and people like you; which I have no problem with.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Mkay. Don't care what you think tbh.

Yea. It's really something in the real world that most people don't give 2 rat ****s about.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No hate

True. Hate shouldn't be there over things like this.

Irritating as hell.... well.....

 

[Kfox]

How so, if we disagree we are called bigots.

Why do you allow someone else to have such control over you for fear they might call you a name?
Perhaps you should focus a little more on your character rather than your reputation. Your character is who you are, your reputation is what people say you are.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Of course not! You go by how they look! If you get it wrong, they will tell you.

Right! So when establishing what gender to refer to someone as, biology has nearly nothing to do with it. First, you assess them by appearance; and, if that yields an incorrect answer, you can ask and/or they will tell you.

Trans-men and trans-women are fully aware of what their biology is.

But that doesn't mean that they want their biology to determine what people refer to them as. What's more, then can always simply not tell you what their biology is, or use labels opposed to their biological sex.

There is no reason to do some sort of an inspection; just ask if you feel a need to know.

And what if they tell you something that is not their biological sex?

What’s the difference?

Something that's binary can be only one or the other.

Something that is bimodal TENDS towards one of two states, but there are still modes both in-between and the far ends of each that a minority tends to fall into. For example, there are people who are born intersex, others born with stronger male biological traits and identifiers than other males, etc..

 

[Kfox]

Right! So when establishing what gender to refer to someone as, biology has nearly nothing to do with it.

No; 99.9% of the time, people present themselves according to their biology.

First, you assess them by appearance; and, if that yields an incorrect answer, you can ask and/or they will tell you.

Correct.

But that doesn't mean that they want their biology to determine what people refer to them as. What's more, then can always simply not tell you what their biology is, or use labels opposed to their biological sex.

True.

And what if they tell you something that is not their biological sex?

There is nothing to stop them from lying to you, and there is no way for you to know; as it has always been.

Something that's binary can be only one or the other.

Something that is bimodal TENDS towards one of two states, but there are still modes both in-between and the far ends of each that a minority tends to fall into. For example, there are people who are born intersex, others born with stronger male biological traits and identifiers than other males, etc..

And how does this manifest itself in mammals that are not human?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its going to come to a point where male and female, man and woman... Are meaningless.

A male(sex) can identify as a woman(gender) and live as a female(sex) and vice-versa

And with male and female, man and woman.....
I can't see how someone can feel like none of the above.

Our genes are around 91% similar to cats.
If a teen says I identify as a cat , everyone says that BS, its impossible, etc etc.

But yet a male can identify as a woman and a female as a man

Its all confusing

I don't really get non-binary myself. But there's a lot of things about people I don't get or understand. That doesn't mean I should baulk at them or treat them like I can put them on a slide and observe them under a microscope.
But just accepting people and listening to them makes it easier to at least have an idea of what's going on, even if you don't fully get it.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No; 99.9% of the time, people present themselves according to their biology.

Except how they do that varies, and has always varied.

Also, it's probably more like 99/98%.

Also, as we have already established, you cannot assess their biology - you can only assess their appearance or what they tell you.

There is nothing to stop them from lying to you, and there is no way for you to know; as it has always been.

Right, so restricting classifications to biology is useless. Why not simply accept that we don't classify people by biology, and that we use social definitions?

And how does this manifest itself in mammals that are not human?

The same. Some mammals are also born with a mix of feminine or masculine traits, or both or neither set of genitalia.

Not that it would matter. We can still distinguish ourselves through social definitions and language - things that no other mammals can do (or, if they do, they keep it really quiet).

 

[We Never Know]

I don't really get non-binary myself. But there's a lot of things about people I don't get or understand. That doesn't mean I should baulk at them or treat them like I can put them on a slide and observe them under a microscope.
But just accepting people and listening to them makes it easier to at least have an idea of what's going on, even if you don't fully get it.

"I don't really get non-binary myself"

Same as I don't really get transgenders or non-binary

 

[JDMS]

Yea. It's really something in the real world that most people don't give 2 rat ****s about.

Yeah, the majority of people are civil and respectful in person, regardless of their internal ideas about it.

It's funny how these people who spend so much time complaining about it online very rarely rear their head in person.