What is nonbinary?

[SomeRandom]

So she wasn't born this way, this was the result of a medical affliction; is that correct? If she was born that way I would consider that condition an abnormality meaning it is not normal for humans to be born that way; if it is the result of a medical condition I would consider it a disease or whatever caused it.

She was indeed born that way.
I’m not entirely sure what the cause was. I was never rude enough to ask. But apparently it’s a family/genetic thing.
Would that not qualify as an adaption?
Technically speaking, I mean

That's good.

Evolution is a change in the gene pool due to environmental conditions. Medical conditions do not fit under the category of evolution at work

Maybe not per se. But they do force us to adapt, to a degree. And the interference of medical science has lessened their overall impact on our evolution, one could argue.
Not saying that’s a bad thing, of course. Just that it’s something we have taken into our hands to decide.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So when someone is born with 6 fingers on each hand, you call that normal? That the number of fingers someone has on their hands vary from person to person?

Polydactyly is something that normally just sometimes happens.

Evolution is a change in the gene pool due to environmental conditions. Medical conditions do not fit under the category of evolution at work

Ever hear of selective selection and sexual selection?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Evolution is a change in the gene pool due to environmental conditions. Medical conditions do not fit under the category of evolution at work

Ever hear of selective selection and sexual selection?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

So when someone is born with 6 fingers on each hand, you call that normal? That the number of fingers someone has on their hands vary from person to person?

Well, I call it a variation. 5 fingers is a variation on the amount of fingers. 6 fingers is a variation on the amount of fingers. That is something I choose to do.
You choose to call 5 normal and 6 abnormal.

Both choices are subjective and we are both wrong and abnormal according to your standard of being objective. So stop being subjective, abnormal and wrong. That is a sick and degenerate choice in you. Stop doing that!

If you wonder the Italic written by me is also subjective. Your trick is that you think you are objective as the standard you gave in another thread. You are not and neither am I. Neither of us are objectively normal or abnormal, we are as objective as it can be descriptive without subjective evaluations variations. You are as a variation a normie and I am neuro diverse. But your standard is that objective is normal and subjective is abnormal. The joke is that that standard is subjective in you.
But your kind is dangerous to my kind because you don't understand when you are subjective, because you believe you are objective.

 

[Kfox]

She was indeed born that way.
I’m not entirely sure what the cause was. I was never rude enough to ask. But apparently it’s a family/genetic thing.
Would that not qualify as an adaption?
Technically speaking, I mean

Adaption is something resulting in an advantage due to your environment. A dog's ability to grow/shed his winter coat for example. If this doesn't give your friend an example, I don't think it fits the adaption category either.

 

[Kfox]

Polydactyly is something that normally just sometimes happens.

Yeah; so are conjoined twins. But would you call it normal?

Ever hear of selective selection and sexual selection?

No. Please explain.

 

[Kfox]

Well, I call it a variation. 5 fingers is a variation on the amount of fingers. 6 fingers is a variation on the amount of fingers. That is something I choose to do.

Well good for you.

You choose to call 5 normal and 6 abnormal.

Both choices are subjective and we are both wrong and abnormal according to your standard of being objective.

I haven’t given my standard of objective; however just for the record I believe that which is objective is that which can be empirically demonstrated. So the question becomes; can it be empirically demonstrated that it is not normal for humans to be born with 6 fingers? I guess it depends on how you define normal. Do you find 1 in a million normal?

So stop being subjective, abnormal and wrong. That is a sick and degenerate choice in you. Stop doing that!

If you wonder the Italic written by me is also subjective. Your trick is that you think you are objective as the standard you gave in another thread.

My Existence is objective. My thoughts, opinions, beliefs, are all subjective.

You are not and neither am I. Neither of us are objectively normal or abnormal, we are as objective as it can be descriptive without subjective evaluations variations. You are as a variation a normie and I am neuro diverse. But your standard is that objective is normal and subjective is abnormal. The joke is that that standard is subjective in you.
But your kind is dangerous to my kind because you don't understand when you are subjective, because you believe you are objective.

That is a bunch of foolishness that I have never claimed. You obviously have no clue about my views concerning objective vs subjective; you probably misunderstood something I said on another thread and are applying that misunderstanding here.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well good for you.

I haven’t given my standard of objective; however just for the record I believe that which is objective is that which can be empirically demonstrated. So the question becomes; can it be empirically demonstrated that it is not normal for humans to be born with 6 fingers? I guess it depends on how you define normal. Do you find 1 in a million normal?

My Existence is objective. My thoughts, opinions, beliefs, are all subjective.

That is a bunch of foolishness that I have never claimed. You obviously have no clue about my views concerning objective vs subjective; you probably misunderstood something I said on another thread and are applying that misunderstanding here.

You don't understand that normal has no objective standard, right?
So the objective existence causes the subjective existence. How does that work?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No. Please explain.

The most apparent example of selective selection is farming. Corn is a wild example of this because today we don't really recognize the corn of ages past as corn. It looked more like a stick with a few weord growths.
Sexual selection is mating based on people choosing to reproduce with those with certain sexual features. This is why human females are the only ones with permanently enlarged breasts.

Yeah; so are conjoined twins. But would you call it normal?

It's within a normal range of possibilities of human births. Diamonds are rare, formed only under very specific conditions, but there is nothing not normal about. Neurodiversity is also rare but also a normal way for humans to be.

 

[Orbit]

I'm not talking about stereotype gender roles, I'm talking about biological facts.

What would you do with someone with XXY chromosomes? It happens.

 

[SomeRandom]

Adaption is something resulting in an advantage due to your environment. A dog's ability to grow/shed his winter coat for example. If this doesn't give your friend an example, I don't think it fits the adaption category either.

But adaption doesn't always give an advantage. Random mutations are just that. Random.
They can occur and not have any affect whatsoever over the populace’s overall survival.
And indeed can also result in adaptions that are disadvantages. (I’ll grant you that such a phenomenon is called a maladaption. At least I think that’s the current terminology.) Especially in very toxic environments.
Which, in humans at least, are arguably “softened” (for lack of a better word) due to human interference.
My friend in my example was not disadvantaged because she had the benefit of modern technology.
I don’t think she even needed medical intervention, really

I mean, we aren’t always at the whims of evolution the same way other animals are. Arguably. Right?
I mean sure disease can still knock us out for a while. But medicine usually comes up with an answer.
We directly combat many health and mental health issues that would leave a person dead if they lived in the wild, we even prolong our own lives, we go out of our way to ensure the birthing process doesn’t actually kill anyone (well okay, the US doesn’t have the greatest stats on maternal death rates on the world stage, actually. But still.)
With further research I wouldn’t be surprised if scientists take direct control of random mutations in humans even. Granted I know that’s a far off thing, I’m just saying.

 

[Kfox]

You don't understand that normal has no objective standard, right?

Normal is the same as typical. Can we agree if something has a 1 in a million chances of happening, that is not typical?

 

[Kfox]

The most apparent example of selective selection is farming. Corn is a wild example of this because today we don't really recognize the corn of ages past as corn. It looked more like a stick with a few weord growths.
Sexual selection is mating based on people choosing to reproduce with those with certain sexual features. This is why human females are the only ones with permanently enlarged breasts.

And what does this have to do with a change in the gene pool? Are you suggesting people born with 6 fingers or other such medical conditions are born that way due to a change in the gene pool?

It's within a normal range of possibilities of human births.

I didn’t ask if it were possible, I’m asking if it is typical.

Diamonds are rare, formed only under very specific conditions, but there is nothing not normal about.

I disagree. If the formation of diamonds were typical, they wouldn’t be so expensive.

 

[Kfox]

What would you do with someone with XXY chromosomes? It happens.

Yes; that's common for intersex people. What are are their other traits? Do they have a prostate? Or a uturus. Do they have a testosterone level of closer to 30? Or 1000. Do they have testes? or ovaries.

 

[The Hammer]

Evolution is a change in the gene pool due to environmental conditions. Medical conditions do not fit under the category of evolution at work

Evolution is not solely environmental. Medical conditions are absolutely evolutionary. We get diabetes for instance thanks to mating with our Neanderthal brethren, nad inheriting some of their sensitivities.

 

[Willamena]

If they experience their gender as neither man nor woman... What do they experience it as? What else is there?

There is nonbinary. You're pretending like you don't get this, and yet you obviously do.

 

[The Hammer]

There is nonbinary. You're pretending like you don't get this, and yet you obviously do.

Or just human.

 

[Kfox]

But adaption doesn't always give an advantage. Random mutations are just that. Random.

Are we talking about adaption? Or mutation. My understanding of the difference is adaption is an attempt to supply what the organism needs mutation is not.

They can occur and not have any affect whatsoever over the populace’s overall survival.
And indeed can also result in adaptions that are disadvantages. (I’ll grant you that such a phenomenon is called a maladaption. At least I think that’s the current terminology.)

Yes; such a phenomenon is not called adaptation.

 

[Callisto]

Why have drag Queens read to children at all, so they can become deluded as well and forget the truth.

And the persons foremost to blame are the parents yet their culpability doesn't ever seem to be addressed when this topic comes up. Children aren't taking themselves to these story hours. And if they are being exposed to anything inappropriate, it is the fault of the parents as much as the organizers.

As with any event for any reason, any person or group can plan any event they want but it won't take place if no one shows up. Parents choose to take their children to these events while those who don't want their children in attendance make sure they're not.

 

[Callisto]

Something I thought about..... At birth the Dr says its a boy or its a girl. Should they stop that?

No, because for the overwhelming majority of people don't end up with gender dysphoria and less than 2% of the population is intersex.

Besides, I don't think it's common for doctors to say "it's a boy/girl" since the advent of ultrasounds. Long before the child is born, ultrasounds will reveal whether the baby is male or female long before birth. So unless the parents asked not to be told during those instances, they know the baby's sex well in advance.