What is sin?

[Adramelek]

Oops, my bad, I meant to use 5000 years. I'm not saying your wrong about the 6000 years, I simply dont see any historical fact to back that up besides Christian scripture, which I am not an adherent of.

 

[McBell]

Christianity is only 2000 years old, but the promise of hope for the Christian faith is 6000 years old.

Making Christianity one of the newest kids on the block.

Seems Christianity is merely a fad, like Zeus or Odin...

 

[Danmac]

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Making Christianity one of the newest kids on the block.

Seems Christianity is merely a fad, like Zeus or Odin...

A 2000 year old fad. Not bad huh?

 

[McBell]

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A 2000 year old fad. Not bad huh?

2000 years out of the 200,000 years humans have been on the planet is not very impressive at all.

 

[Danmac]

2000 years out of the 200,000 years humans have been on the planet is not very impressive at all.

With an estimated 2.1 billion Christians world wide we are making up for lost time.

 

[McBell]

With an estimated 2.1 billion Christians world wide we are making up for lost time.

You are just far to easily impressed by appeal to numbers fallacies.

 

[Danmac]

You are just far to easily impressed by appeal to numbers fallacies.

A lover of science that questions data. Go figure.

 

[McBell]

A lover of science that questions data. Go figure.

and now you are resorting to ad hominem.

What's the matter Danmac, facts not to your liking?

Don't you know that it matters not how many people believe in a false thing, it remains a false thing. Thus the reason it is called a fallacy.

Seems to me that you always end up with nothing but fallacies.
One would think that that fact would tell you something.
Wonder why it doesn't?

 

[Danmac]

and now you are resorting to ad hominem.

What's the matter Danmac, facts not to your liking?

Don't you know that it matters not how many people believe in a false thing, it remains a false thing. Thus the reason it is called a fallacy.

Seems to me that you always end up with nothing but fallacies.
One would think that that fact would tell you something.
Wonder why it doesn't?

Do you actually have anything to offer other than rants?

 

[McBell]

Do you actually have anything to offer other than rants?

Translation: :ignore:

 

[Lauren MacDonald]

I liked your answer telanus. For the most part i agree.. well at least over time i have come to the same conclusion it seems like you have.

The only thing that confuses me about it is the power struggle people have with one another.

One person tries to be nice and honest, and so does another...

pretty soon they're both trying (and I mean in their own ways equally) to not sin to the point where it's almost a sinful power struggle.

Still confuses me.

I was directing this to you because your answer really stuck out to me. in the sense that it sounded like i would have put because I don't even completely understand what sin is and isn't yet. What do you think?

But to contribute more to the discussion, these are what i think is sinful:
Vain obsession.
Lying when you don't need to.
Cursing when it makes others uncomfortable.
Breaking promises.
Being someone you aren't (it's a hard one and I think god understands when you can't get it right the first few thousand time - if you truly are having a hard time)
Letting people talk you down.
Talking others down.
Being fake.
Wasting your time on others fakeness unless you believe they truly can't help it.
Selfishness.
Murder.
Lust (lust of any kind - i think lust is wrong because the more you want and want and want something you don't need, the more painful YOUR life will become because most likely you won't get it - therefor just being miserable at all times)
not being selfless at least SOME of the time.
trying to be perfect.


There's many many more... but that's just what i think is a good start, and a reasonable outlook on what sin is. And i do think sin is very real.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

What does sinning mean to you? Can people really sin? Is it wrong to sin if it helps someone else or helps the world in general?

The word sin means to miss the mark. Therefore, sin doesn't really refer to specific actions, but it refers to failing to act appropriately at the given moment. I try to stress this over and over to some other Christians who think sin has something to do with the deed itself: "This is a sin. That's a sin" That has nothing to do with what sin actually is.

 

[McBell]

The word sin means to miss the mark. Therefore, sin doesn't really refer to specific actions, but it refers to failing to act appropriately at the given moment. I try to stress this over and over to some other Christians who think sin has something to do with the deed itself: "This is a sin. That's a sin" That has nothing to do with what sin actually is.

Sin does not refer to specific actions but refers to failing to act specifically in a specific moment?

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Mestemia, sin is failing to act the most appropriately at a given moment. Like let's say you were in a situation where you had to choose to save someone or let them die. Failure on your part to save them is actually sin.

 

[McBell]

Mestemia, sin is failing to act the most appropriately at a given moment. Like let's say you were in a situation where you had to choose to save someone or let them die. Failure on your part to save them is actually sin.

So it is in fact about a specific action at a specific time.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Right Mestemia, in my opinion anyway. We could use the anology of the Dao. Duality doesn't truly exist in the Dao. Likewise, duality is a human construct, it doesn't truly exist in God. Therefore, acting inappropriately at the given moment is against the Dao (God). There is in fact, no difference between the two. Tao=God.

 

[McBell]

The word sin means to miss the mark. Therefore, sin doesn't really refer to specific actions, but it refers to failing to act appropriately at the given moment. I try to stress this over and over to some other Christians who think sin has something to do with the deed itself: "This is a sin. That's a sin" That has nothing to do with what sin actually is.

So it is in fact about a specific action at a specific time.

Right Mestemia, in my opinion anyway. We could use the anology of the Dao. Duality doesn't truly exist in the Dao. Likewise, duality is a human construct, it doesn't truly exist in God. Therefore, acting inappropriately at the given moment is against the Dao (God). There is in fact, no difference between the two. Tao=God.

Now I am confused.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Mestemia good and evil are human constructs. Therefore saying an action itself is the sin is wrong. The action itself isn't sin, the fact that you acted inappropriately at the given moment is what makes a sin. Therefore one can't say- lying is a sin. Sometimes lying is beneficial.

 

[McBell]

Mestemia good and evil are human constructs. Therefore saying an action itself is the sin is wrong. The action itself isn't sin, the fact that you acted inappropriately at the given moment is what makes a sin. Therefore one can't say- lying is a sin. Sometimes lying is beneficial.

so an action is not a sin but an inappropriate action is a sin?

Nope.
That does not help.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Mestemia it's hard to explain ok? A person can't very well say an action in itself is a sin. There's a lot of factors. Let's try putting it this way. The Bible also says intent has something to do with it. Rather you're doing the action to hurt someone or not, and also rather the action has a negative outcome. Actions don't always have the same outcome, therefore one can't very well say the actions themselves are sin. The outcome of the situation based on the action is what makes sin- "missing the mark". The action in itself is neutral.