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What is the definition of a "Woman"?
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Except that some mental disorders are chemical imbalances, and that is biological. How the brain functions can be affected by low blood glucose and other deficiencies, so there are many biological elements to our mental state. Even many personality traits are natural expressions of the individual brain. And as far as my limited understanding goes, how a person sees themselves as gay or trans is unknown to science, but data suggests it isn't learned, that there is something about the brain that does make a person as they are.
My opinion:
Some fear that men will cross dress or be transgender. They might have the right to use women's restrooms and locker rooms or compete as women in sports. They worry that little girls might be raped by these men who have access to their restrooms. Some men feel that they are women (they are free to choose their own sexual orientation). This makes the definition of "women" difficult.
President Clinton said that in the military, don't ask, don't tell.
President Trump said that the military has a difficult job to do, and should not be burdened with men hitting on men, or special facilities for Gay men, or allowing Gay men to ogle straight men.
Many government agencies refuse to hire Gay people, fearing that they might buckle in to extortion and give away government secrets to keep from being outted as Gays. Even private companies that use government security clearances, can refuse to hire Gay people.
The Religious Right claims that Gay marriage would "somehow" wreck their straight marriages. They claim that it would make their marriages invalid if anyone could marry. But marriage also imparts legal rights (child custody, inheritance, social security of spouse, government aid, etc).
Though the Christian bible is against people being Gay, only God is the judge. Christians shouldn't be judgemental. Jesus said (Sermon on the Mount): "Judge not lest ye be judged."
Christians are supposed to be tolerant and nice, and should not harm or restrict Gays.
What people do in the privacy of their own homes is there business.
I think that there are many ways in which people can be Gay. Some have different hormones. Some have different chromosomes. Some just choose to be Gay.
Some members of the Religious Right say that being Gay is a choice, and they can easily switch. If this is true, then a heterosexual man could easily choose to be Gay. I don't know of any heterosexual men who believe this. However, high pitched Reverend Jerry Falwell believed it.
Is it right to force someone to go against their nature?
What would happen if Gays took over a city or county (or even state), and made laws prohibiting straight marriages? Would that be fair to the straight people?
Perhaps there should be civil laws and civil marriages that respect Gays, and people could still be free to practice any religion that they choose?
Religious freedom should not be freedom to take religious freedom from others.
Colt
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A female is a female. She has a vagina and reproductive equipment.
People should be free to define themselves.
People should be able to choose their own religion (according to the First Amendment)....that is the American way.
One religion shouldn't impose their values on other religions in America.
You raise some good points, and this is a conservative problem that they use for political purposes. As we see with the threat to women's rights we see more pressure from the right on what makes a woman. I suspect part of this is the obsolete tradition of women being property of men and must adhere to whatever definition men say. And with an African American woman, well, some conservative senators seem to show disrespect to these two categories that the far right is prejudiced against.
I agree, but note that America only accounts for 5% of the world population
There are countries where people are not free (to a certain extent, that includes parts of the US)
Except where there are genetic imbalances and defects. Then what do you declare? You're a biologist, right?
You seem to be looking at this issue on the trend of biological norms and the majority of female samples. But as a conservative don't you value individual rights? Doesn't a person who has a different outlook and some biological factors outside the norm have a right to BE that person? If you think individual rights threatens you then perhaps you oppose guns rights since concealed carry make others feel threatened.
My opinion:
J. K. Rowling (Harry Potter author) got in trouble for talking about women who were born with vaginas (to distinguish them from men who become women). I know that Rowling is not bigoted against Gays, since she made Professor Albus Dumbledore Gay.
Some say that merely cutting off a penis doesn't make someone a woman. They say that women think differently. If a Gay man is attracted to other men, does that make him a woman?
I think that narrowing the definition of woman to a vagina is a bit too restrictive, given the numbers of men who become women. Though they may not be exactly like women, I think that they should be free to choose their gender.
However, this opens a can of worms when it comes to using restrooms, showers, gyms, dorms, and shared military quarters. It is often too expensive or difficult to have separate facilities for the transgendered.
Only God is the judge, and Christians must not be judgemental. The various Christian protests should not be allowed by the Christian religion.
Lawsuit: Female Prisoner Says She Was Raped by Transgender Inmate
There are plenty of stories (like the website above) that show transgender men raping women.
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Did they ask her if she is a woman?
If they did and she answered yes, what criteria did she base her answer on?
I agree.
Forced sterilization policies in the US targeted minorities and those with disabilities – and lasted into the 21st century
Forced sterilization in the US targetted women and minorities.
National Security Study Memorandum 200 - Wikipedia
NSSM 200 was a US program to sterilize (can't have babies) African and South American women. Often the tribal chief decided for them. The idea was to limit populations so they wouldn't use up resources. Many had more kids than they could afford assuming that many would die and a few might survive. These sterilized women (and members of their tribes) felt that the US was preventing reproduction to steal their land and resources.
I can't see any heterosexual man chewing to be gay without some tendency. I have known women who have intimate relationships with other women which seems more socially acceptable.
I'll bet Falwell had a pretty deep closet of secrets, along with many other conservatives who are rabidly opposed to gay rights.
The "prey away the gay" nonessential illustrates how the far right agenda has focused on gays as part of their obsolete social tradition. I think they push this far right agenda to help further a separation of society and to create a more divisive alliance within their tribe. We see some of the conservatives in this discussion pushing a black/white definition of gender and think we all can ignore the exceptions. This is an effort to limit freedom of citizens to help make the conservative feel better about themselves.
This does seem to be the tactic of conservatives, fear of some extreme "next step" like marrying animals. Absurd. the same was said back when mixed race marriage was illegal.
So someone born with Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser syndrom (undeveloped vagina and uterus, but normal ovaries and external genitalia) is not a woman? What is she, then?
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If we don't know how to define what a "woman" or "female" is.... is Kamala Harris really the first woman/female VP?
What criteria gives her that title?
What criteria gives her that title?
Spiderman
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Amazing how intelligent you are. Who would have ever known that?
I mean, it is disputed with such intensity, you speak it with such authority, like you know what you're talking about and are credible!
You state it like it is a fact! Thank you for educating us properly!
Not always.
Know any who've had hysterectomies?
Simple definitions applied to complex
phenomena sometimes just don't work.
Colt
Well-Known Member
You said she? Sounds right.
Colt
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A women who had a hysterectomy is still a women. Its not complex. Rebellious humans that don't want to accept what they are have created a bunch of fake drama.
Colt
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Well, its not at all complicated. Its like drinking alcohol isn't what's really wrong with alcoholics, its just a symptom.Amazing how intelligent you are. Who would have ever known that?
I mean, it is disputed with such intensity, you speak it with such authority, like you know what you're talking about and are credible!
You state it like it is a fact! Thank you for educating us properly!