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What is the most important message of Jesus?
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes Christ is just a word, it could be the Anointed one, or it could be, the Buddha which isn't a title of a name, but a level of Consciousness, most religions are simular with just different names for whatever, and this is what so many wast their time arguing over instead of see what the name points to.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Ingledsva, I don't doubt that these are the two greatest commandments. But these commandments cannot be described as the most important message of Jesus. Why? Because they were in existence before Jesus was born.
Jesus quotes the first commandment from Deuteronomy 6:4 and the second from Leviticus 19:18.
The Law existed before Jesus, and Jesus did not come to recite the Law to Jews who already knew the Law. Why would the scribe have responded to Jesus with the words, 'Well, Master, thou hast said the truth'? The scribe already knew the Law. Then Jesus quietly added, 'Thou art not far from the kingdom of God'. So the scribe knew the Law but was still OUTSIDE the kingdom.
SO TRYING TO FULFIL THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS IN YOUR OWN STRENGTH IS NOT ENOUGH!! YOU MUST FIRST BE FREED FROM SIN.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Why in the world would them being around before Jesus, change - that JESUS said they were the two most important?
If he SAID they were the most important - ??????
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Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Let me repeat. The Law came by Moses. It included the commandments to love God, and to love your neighbour. Jesus did not come to give the Law again.
Jesus shows us God's love. Through repentance and faith we can enter into his kingdom of love.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
The most important message of Jesus must be:
RECOGNISE YOUR SIN. KNOW YOUR SAVIOUR. RECEIVE YOUR SALVATION.
RECOGNISE YOUR SIN. KNOW YOUR SAVIOUR. RECEIVE YOUR SALVATION.
roger1440
I do stuff
What do you mean "KNOW YOUR SAVIOUR" ?
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Hi Roger1440,
It says in John 8:28-32:, 'Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'
Jesus Christ is our Saviour. To know Jesus Christ is to know the Truth.
We can know Jesus Christ by receiving the Holy Spirit through faith. We become new creations in Christ; firstly in SPIRIT, then in MIND (as the Word becomes our Way), and finally in BODY, at resurrection. This restores what ADAM lost in SIN. He died spiritually first, then died soul and body.
It says in John 8:28-32:, 'Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'
Jesus Christ is our Saviour. To know Jesus Christ is to know the Truth.
We can know Jesus Christ by receiving the Holy Spirit through faith. We become new creations in Christ; firstly in SPIRIT, then in MIND (as the Word becomes our Way), and finally in BODY, at resurrection. This restores what ADAM lost in SIN. He died spiritually first, then died soul and body.
roger1440
I do stuff
What does any of this have to do with Adam? Adam is long dead. The Jews have no concept of original sin.
"The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." (Ezekiel 18:20 )
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Jesus was a Jew. He understood it.
roger1440
I do stuff
What is "it"?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
You don't need original sin for the Jesus concept to work, in the saviour paradigm. Some churches don't have original sin, it's actually a specific church concept.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
The sin of the world.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
@OP
To worship Him, as a God.
To worship Him, as a God.
Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
I would say, having been born-again into the body of Christ, one should worship the Father in the name of the Son.
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JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
Jesus gave a parable to answer the question of "who is my neighbour?"
The "Good Samaritan" was an awesome story, for the simple reason that the hero of the tale was not a Jew, as Jesus' audience may have expected. The Jewish players in this scenario were the ones NOT displaying love of neighbor. This demonstrates Jesus' attitude towards those that he knew in time, would become part of God's universal family. The Samaritans were the next in line to be granted access to the kingdom hope....then the Gentiles would be added...but all needed to accept Jesus as Messiah and follow the laws of God, leaving their former ways and beliefs behind.
Samaritans were despised by Jews, (viewed as a rival religious system) so the care and concern of the Samaritan for the man who fell victim to the robbers is the main focus. Jews were identified by their distinctive fringed garments. This man was robbed of his clothing and severely beaten and left for dead. This means that the Samaritan had no idea what this man's religion was and more importantly, he didn't care. He saw a fellow human being in need of assistance and helped in whatever way he could...even though it cost him something. He personally attended to his wounds and provided a safe and comfortable place for the man to recover. He was even happy to meet any extra cost.
Apply this scenario to today and you have the model for how we should view our fellow man...not with the jaded eyes of prejudice and bigotry, but with compassion for a neighbor in need of help that we can provide. So what if it costs us something? How far should this attitude be taken? Jesus told us to love even our enemies, so there is no limit to how far this goes. It means that we would do no deliberate harm to anyone for any reason.
If everyone is our neighbor, then what is preventing us from at least being kind to them? Ignoring their plight or not wanting to become "involved" in assisting them, (like the Jew in the parable) we have some choices. If we cannot help in any practical way, then maybe we can call authorities who can provide the necessary assistance? It's not a perfect world and we know that at times situations can expose us to danger. We can only do what is reasonable in our circumstances. The Samaritan was obviously in a financial position to offer that kind of help, but he was still hands on in his approach.
The message is "don't let hate or prejudice rob you of the chance to be kind to your fellow man".....when you have it in the power of your own hand to be of assistance be proactive. Even a kind word to someone who needs it is positive.
If we all applied the "Golden Rule" what a different world we would see.
Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
We have already told you what JESUS said was most important.
And " Deuteronomy 6:4 and the second from Leviticus 19:18" don't change that one iota.
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Ingledsva
HEATHEN ALASKAN
Jesus calles himself THE LIGHT/ILLUMINATION! That is what John 1 actually calls him! It does not say he is the Logos,. It says the Logos entered him.
He is the Illumination - the Messiah - not a God, or part of any trinity.
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Joh 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
Joh 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
Joh 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. (TWO SEPERATE BEINGS)
John 8:28-32:, 'Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
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Redemptionsong
Well-Known Member
Ingledsva, the OP asks what we believe to be the most important message of Jesus. In answering this question, people have quoted the two most important commandments of God. I am not disputing that Jesus says that they are the two most important commandments.
BUT these commandments were known by Jews before Jesus came as Messiah. I do not believe that his role was to REPEAT what had already been stated by the prophets of the Old Covenant. The message of Jesus was radical and new.
Jesus gives us the MEANS to fulfil the commandments. He enables us to enter in to a new relationship with our LORD.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I don't think that there is any reason to associate the Prophets, with incorrect ideas, later, held by Jews. This is not how Jesus explained things, and Jesus even aside, here, it puts a strange emphasis, on incorrect concepts, related to, correct Scripture.
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