What is the NATO?

[Kathryn]

Suddenly, after opposing joining NATO for many years, Ukraine wants to join NATO.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Suddenly, after opposing joining NATO for many years, Ukraine wants to join NATO.

Yes.

 

[Magic Man]

Promises proffered during negotiations are part
of back-&-forth give-&-take negotiation. They're
superseded by what is codified in formal agreement.

I agree, and that's kind of what I'm saying. They were negotiating, trying to get this thing done, so maybe they did offer something like that, but even then, none of the sources say they offered to never let eastern European countries into NATO. It was more like "Sure, we'll stay out of that area for a while and not interfere with the transition". Even if they did promise that, that doesn't mean they couldn't allow those countries in 20 years later, well after the region had settled into separate states.

 

[Magic Man]

Suddenly, after opposing joining NATO for many years, Ukraine wants to join NATO.

It wasn't sudden, and they didn't oppose it for many years. There was a long time that they had a soft association with NATO, and then in 2010, they re-affirmed being neutral and not associated with NATO. Then when that government was kicked out in 2014 and Russia annexed Crimea, Ukraine again affirmed its desire to be part of NATO.

But even by your version, it would still make sense. Russia acted aggressively toward them, which is something that you'd expect to make a country want to join a defensive alliance that would protect them from Russia.

 

[Magic Man]

Ok.
From now own @Magic Man decides the topic of all threads.
As you wish your majesty.

Nope. I just point out the topic you inserted yourself into with your whataboutism. Now, if you don't mind, it would be better to drop this and get back to any of the points relevant to the thread.

 

[metis]

Just wanted to point out that nothing is free. What's the tax rate for countries offering "universal healthcare?" What's the wait time for appts? What's the cure rate for major diseases? What countries do you need additional health coverage (out of pocket) in? I want to know because I do know our healthcare system needs revamping, but I don't know how to go about it.

I prefer the Nordic Model on this and many other features as it helps those in need and improves numerous areas such as healthcare, eldercare, childcare, education, etc. As the old saying goes, "It takes a village to raise a child".

Nordic model - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Magic Man]

Just wanted to point out that nothing is free. What's the tax rate for countries offering "universal healthcare?" What's the wait time for appts? What's the cure rate for major diseases? What countries do you need additional health coverage (out of pocket) in? I want to know because I do know our healthcare system needs revamping, but I don't know how to go about it.

All of those things vary by model. The tax rate also isn't based solely on this one thing, so it's hard to compare overall tax rates for this specific thing. I think the fact that all (or at least 99%) of developed countries have some form of universal healthcare is a pretty good indicator that it's the preferred model. Of course, in implementing such a system, asking questions like yours is a good idea, so we can adjust the model to our specific needs. But for instance, with taxes, healthcare premiums are already incredibly high. We could most likely implement universal healthcare with taxes that are lower than those premiums for most people. So, instead of spending $400/month on insurance premiums, you could pay $300/month in taxes.

 

[Kathryn]

All of those things vary by model. The tax rate also isn't based solely on this one thing, so it's hard to compare overall tax rates for this specific thing. I think the fact that all (or at least 99%) of developed countries have some form of universal healthcare is a pretty good indicator that it's the preferred model. Of course, in implementing such a system, asking questions like yours is a good idea, so we can adjust the model to our specific needs. But for instance, with taxes, healthcare premiums are already incredibly high. We could most likely implement universal healthcare with taxes that are lower than those premiums for most people. So, instead of spending $400/month on insurance premiums, you could pay $300/month in taxes.

Well, to be honest, I didn't ask you. I asked a specific person who as far as I know has not given me specific answers.

 

[Magic Man]

Well, to be honest, I didn't ask you. I asked a specific person who as far as I know has not given me specific answers.

Well, to be honest, I don't care who you asked. It wasn't a personal question. It was questions about a broad public topic. So, I gave you a response that addressed the questions.

 

[Kathryn]

Well, to be honest, I don't care who you asked. It wasn't a personal question. It was questions about a broad public topic. So, I gave you a response that addressed the questions.

Except you really didn't address most of the questions because you said the topic was too broad. Which is why I addressed one specific person for specifics about his or her country.

 

[Magic Man]

Except you really didn't address most of the questions because you said the topic was too broad. Which is why I addressed one specific person for specifics about his or her country.

I addressed the topic, but the topic is very broad with varying answers. Here's what you actually said:

Just wanted to point out that nothing is free. What's the tax rate for countries offering "universal healthcare?" What's the wait time for appts? What's the cure rate for major diseases? What countries do you need additional health coverage (out of pocket) in?

Emphasis mine. You didn't ask a poster about her country specifically. You asked about "countries" that use this type of system. That's exactly what I responded to. If you want specifics on Italy:

Income tax rates: Roughly 23-43%, depending on income.
Wait times vary widely depending on variables like emergency/non-emergency, specialty or not, etc.
Again, it varies. Which diseases? Many major diseases don't have cures. They only have treatments.
You don't need additional health coverage (out of pocket) in Italy.

These are things you can find with Google.

 

[Kathryn]

I addressed the topic, but the topic is very broad with varying answers. Here's what you actually said:

Emphasis mine. You didn't ask a poster about her country specifically. You asked about "countries" that use this type of system. That's exactly what I responded to. If you want specifics on Italy:

Income tax rates: Roughly 23-43%, depending on income.
Wait times vary widely depending on variables like emergency/non-emergency, specialty or not, etc.
Again, it varies. Which diseases? Many major diseases don't have cures. They only have treatments.
You don't need additional health coverage (out of pocket) in Italy.

These are things you can find with Google.

Which is why I was asking that poster specifically what his or her experience was.

 

[Magic Man]

Which is why I was asking that poster specifically what his or her experience was.

Again, no, you weren't. I just quoted the post I replied to. You asked about those aspects of the systems for "countries", not one specific country, and not the specific experience of one person. Here it is one more time:

Just wanted to point out that nothing is free. What's the tax rate for countries offering "universal healthcare?" What's the wait time for appts? What's the cure rate for major diseases? What countries do you need additional health coverage (out of pocket) in?

Again, emphasis mine. You asked about tax rates for countries offering that model in general and which countries need additional health coverage. That's what I was responding to.

 

[Kathryn]

Again, no, you weren't. I just quoted the post I replied to. You asked about those aspects of the systems for "countries", not one specific country, and not the specific experience of one person. Here it is one more time:


Again, emphasis mine. You asked about tax rates for countries offering that model in general and which countries need additional health coverage. That's what I was responding to.

I was asking a specific person specific questions but I also don't care one way or the other, even if you did not answer the questions.

 

[Magic Man]

I was asking a specific person specific questions but I also don't care one way or the other, even if you did not answer the questions.

Good lord, yes, you asked a specific person specific questions about any countries that use a universal healthcare system. That's not something only one specific person can answer. It's a broad topic that, unless you were asking an expert on the subject, is open to anyone.

I responded to your questions, but yet again, they're very broad and don't have easy, simple answers. It's like asking "What do Americans believe in?". You'd need to get a lot more specific if you want specific answers.

 

[ajay0]

The fact is Ukraine is its own country. Russia should have zero say in what they do. If they want to join NATO, then Russia shouldn't have anything to say about it.

You are totally right.

The Russians are similarly shifting their warships and defense systems to a welcoming Cuba next to the American mainland , and yet no one is complaining about it.

Russian warships in Cuba: Is it a port of call or show of strength?

Russian warships sailed into Cuba’s main harbour in what appears to be a show of strength by Moscow.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I find the NATO vomitous for what happened in Libya...

So now it's Libya? No more nonsense about Kosovo?
Off course, you are equally wrong about Lybia as you are about Kosovo.

Same story. You imply this was again some solo NATO-aggression project.
Nothing could be further from the actual truth.

It's the same story as with Kosovo.
Lybia was a multi-state intervention, led by NATO, with UN mandate to implement Security Council resolution 1973

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whoops!

 

[Estro Felino]

So now it's Libya? No more nonsense about Kosovo?
Off course, you are equally wrong about Lybia as you are about Kosovo.

Same story. You imply this was again some solo NATO-aggression project.
Nothing could be further from the actual truth.

It's the same story as with Kosovo.
Lybia was a multi-state intervention, led by NATO, with UN mandate to implement Security Council resolution 1973

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whoops!

Did you read Hillary's email where it's written that Gaddafi had to go because he was creating a new gold-based currency that would have undone the CFA Franc seigniorage in Western Africa?
He would have demolished the usurocracy in those African countries.

 

[Revoltingest]

Did you read Hillary's email where it's written that Gaddafi had to go because he was creating a new gold-based currency that would have undone the CFA Franc seigniorage in Western Africa?
He would have demolished the usurocracy in those African countries.

Why don't you publish her email here?
So we can verify your claim.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why don't you publish her email here?
So we can verify your claim.

I must have posted it tens of times...

WikiLeaks - Hillary Clinton Email Archive

wikileaks.org