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What is wrong with calling Islam religion of peace?

YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
J2hapydna said:
So fragile

Poor MP is a straw man. Did he even exist?

The psycho Heraclius with his Justinian code and his Arab counterpart the Umayyads who defeated him and adopted his code are the source of the problem

Our desire to see the Russians defeated at any cost, including Saudi revival of the Umayyads cult is the cause of our current predicament.
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Holy revisionist codswallop, Batman.
 
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J2hapydna

Active Member
YmirGF said:
I'd drop this line completely. Putting a happy face on the effects of systemic rape is hardly a noble act. The mother will always be a rape victim, raped by a male who was doing something his deranged god allowed. In other words, he had a god given right to rape. Things don't get much more twisted than that and for you to attempt to make this sound not so bad is well beyond deplorable.
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I'm talking about the financial deterrence. The family of the Arab rapist had much to lose- the inheritance. The family of the slave owner in America gained more slaves and lost nothing after the rape

In addition one is a life sentence for the slave and his progeny the other is not. There is a big difference. Spending 7 years in jail isn't the same as a life term starting from the day one is born
 
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sovietchild

sovietchild

Well-Known Member
A Greased Scotsman said:
That's not surprising - your narrative won't let you see that the perpetrator as anything other than the victim. Muhammad was the one who ordered the caravan raids once he was in control of Medina. This was the first act of aggression between Muhammad-controlled Medina and Mecca.
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I thought Mecca's pagans committed the first act of aggression. Didn't they beat them, robbed them and murder them?
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
J2hapydna said:
As much as I find the religion promoted by the Umayyads disturbing, let's not confuse slavery under the religion of the Arabs with the race based garbage that happened in America.

The slave in Arabia had to be fed and clothed the same as the master. In addition any children born to slaves fathered by the owner automatically inherited freedom and the same property rights as his other children from free women. In other words the children of the slave could use the inherited wealth to free their mother and her other family members. So generations of Africans were not perpetually born into slavery as in the Americas- a system that was completely disgusting and revolting beyond anything we can imagine.
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The truth - Strange Brew: Islam and Black Pride

 
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The Emperor of Mankind

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
sovietchild said:
I thought Mecca's pagans committed the first act of aggression. Didn't they beat them, robbed them and murder them?
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Those aren't 'hostilities' in the sense they're acts of war (which is what I'm trying to establish). Also, please cite the ahadith verse or a Muslim historian which says Muslims were killed.

I can cite a Muslim historian who says "When he got to the mosque [Hamza] saw [Abu Jahl] sitting among the people, and went up to him until he stood over him, when he lifted up his bow and struck him a violent blow with it, saying, 'Will you insult him when I follow his religion, and say what he says? Hit me back if you can!'" (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 185). The victim wasn't killed but it's an example of early Islamic violence which runs counter to the notion that the early Muslims were victims who just sat there and took it. For over ten years.


Further, if this is an unacceptable state of affairs for the Pagan Meccans to be doing in relation to Muslims, do you think it's acceptable for Muslims to do the same to non-Muslims now?
 
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Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
J2hapydna said:
Once again, the fact that made American slavery hideous, inhuman and completely different than the Arab form was the race element. America kept generations of people in slavery into perpetuity without hope of escaping it. Among the Arabs, Slavery was a revolving door. You made war. You got caught. You became a slave (prisoner of war). You came out of slavery by buying your freedom and went about your business as a free man. If you were a woman and got pregnant by your master your child was born free and inherited the same as the other children of the master. So your children could buy your freedom. It wasn't a life sentence.
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Free blacks suggest otherwise. Black slaver owners such as William Ellison and Anthony Johnson shows otherwise.

So for you to suggest that there is just a nuanced difference between spending a lifetime in prison- from the day you were born until the day you die with no hope of your children becoming free and spending a few years in slavery is unsettling.
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You are merely ignorant of American history
 
Notanumber

Notanumber

A Free Man
Who said this “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.”?

Answering Muslims: Jihad

Is Islam a religion of peace? No. Islam is a religion that pretends to be peaceful when Muslims are too weak to win a war. Of course, there are many Muslims who aren’t violent. Many Muslims in the West love peace and tolerance. But they didn’t get these values from Islam. They got them from the West, and now they’re reinterpreting Islam based on their Western values. For dedicated Muslims, however, there are only two possible situations to be in: (1) fighting unbelievers, and (2) pretending to be peaceful while preparing to fight unbelievers. Either way, fighting non-Muslims and conquering the world in the name of Allah is always the goal.
 
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J2hapydna

Active Member
Notanumber said:
Who said this “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.”?

Answering Muslims: Jihad

Is Islam a religion of peace? No. Islam is a religion that pretends to be peaceful when Muslims are too weak to win a war. Of course, there are many Muslims who aren’t violent. Many Muslims in the West love peace and tolerance. But they didn’t get these values from Islam. They got them from the West, and now they’re reinterpreting Islam based on their Western values. For dedicated Muslims, however, there are only two possible situations to be in: (1) fighting unbelievers, and (2) pretending to be peaceful while preparing to fight unbelievers. Either way, fighting non-Muslims and conquering the world in the name of Allah is always the goal.
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Where did the west get these values?

I posted a link to gnostic on the last page. You should read it.

If the goal of Islam was to conquer the world then why didn't Najashi join the Umayyads? Why didn't he conquer his neighbors? Why didn't he impose Jizya on the Christians and Jews? Why didn't he set up Islamic shariah courts? Why didn't he establish state owned masjids throughout his empire? Why did MP forbid the Arabs from waging jihad on the Ethiopian s?
 
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Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
J2hapydna said:
If the goal of Islam was to conquer the world then why didn't Najashi join the Umayyads? Why didn't he conquer his neighbors? Why didn't he impose Jizya on the Christians and Jews? Why didn't he set up Islamic shariah courts? Why didn't he establish state owned masjids throughout his empire? Why did MP forbid the Arabs from waging jihad on the Ethiopian s?
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Ahistorical people are irrelevant.
 
idav

idav

Being
Premium Member
J2hapydna said:
Where did the west get these values?
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The US constitution and general basis for religious freedoms, which was discussed even as the pilgrims got off their ships. Was based off coming from places of religious persecution. People knew immediately that religious tolerance is needed. Islam tends to have a background of being the religious persecutor.
 
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