What is wrong with Islam?

[The Emperor of Mankind]

You wanted it to be so, but it isn't.

And you're deluded as well, you think you're the wise one and you get it right, you aren't
different than the others, what you think is right doesn't mean it is.

Oh the irony of your posts. You could revitalise Scottish steel manufacturing with the amount of irony you dish out every time you say things like this.

To summarise the video (to save others clicking it and wasting their time); it basically says terrorists are 0.006% of the Muslim population. It completely ignores the fact that plenty of 'mainstream' Muslims hold opinions and attitudes sympathetic or enabling to jihadist goals. It also completely ignores the societal violence perpetrated against religious minorities in many - if not most - Muslim countries; not to mention the level of violence against ex-Muslims and those merely accused of blasphemy. The video also continues the traditional fallacy of conflating religious ideology with people who adhere to it. I.e. it calls attacks on Islam attacks on Muslims.

P.S. Calling someone deluded is a personal attack.

 

[FearGod]

And you tell me that I believe in lies...

I truly wish you valued your word a bit more than you do.

I said you're a part of it, may I ask you for what purpose you discus religion,
If you're sure about your way of life and that no need to believe in a religion
then why you need to discuss a thing that you think of it as nonsense, those
who believe in God and religion may find interest on discussing such subject
but why you need to?

 

[YmirGF]

You are saying that it is lies, but you don't seem to have attempted to explain how so.

Which one, there are many lies, why i need to repeat many things which have been
already explained multiple of times.

I will come to the defense of @FearGod here. Brigitte Gabriel is not the best speaker and isn't an authority about Islam, by any yardstick. She is a passionate, often hot blooded, Lebanese Christian speaker, but much of her hatred is cultural rather than theological and the outpouring of her wrath is largely due to growing up in Lebanon during a very unstable period when Hezbully was beginning its "public outreach" programs in Lebanon.

 

[FearGod]

As they say a picture paints a thousand words so a video must paint a few thousand more.

You may not like the videos, but you can’t accuse them of lying.

That means you believe all the videos that you see.

 

[FearGod]

To summarise the video (to save others clicking it and wasting their time);
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And you're wasting your time as well.

 

[Notanumber]

That means you believe all the videos that you see.

I believe the ones that I post on here. As should you.

 

[LuisDantas]

I said you're a part of it, may I ask you for what purpose you discus religion,

Because I value and am interested in it. Enough so not to want to encourage mistakes by omission.

If you're sure about your way of life and that no need to believe in a religion

Religion is not something to be believed in. It is far more important than that.

then why you need to discuss a thing that you think of it as nonsense, those
who believe in God and religion may find interest on discussing such subject
but why you need to?

Haven't you noticed that I am religious myself?

 

[FearGod]

I believe the ones that I post on here. As should you.

Why I have to believe it, why to believe that the person and the statistics ..etc is telling the truth,
because only you want to believe it or you're a part of it, but why I need to.

 

[FearGod]

Because I value and am interested in it. Enough so not to want to encourage mistakes by omission.

Why having interest in something that doesn't exist according to what you believe?

Religion is not something to be believed in. It is far more important than that.

What is religion to you? please define what religion according to your understanding?

Haven't you noticed that I am religious myself?

Depending what is religion to you, would you explain how come that you're religious?

 

[Notanumber]

I said you're a part of it, may I ask you for what purpose you discus religion,
If you're sure about your way of life and that no need to believe in a religion
then why you need to discuss a thing that you think of it as nonsense, those
who believe in God and religion may find interest on discussing such subject
but why you need to?

Islam is the only religion I discuss because it is a known threat to our western way of life.

If it did not affect me and the people I care about, I would have very little interest in it at all.

I would leave Islamic countries to sort out their own mess.

 

[FearGod]

Islam is the only religion I discuss because it is a known threat to our western way of life.

If it did not affect me and the people I care about, I would have very little interest in it at all.

I would leave Islamic countries to sort out their own mess.

Sounds to me Islamophobia.

 

[Notanumber]

Why I have to believe it, why to believe that the person and the statistics ..etc is telling the truth,
because only you want to believe it or you're a part of it, but why I need to.

Because they are eye openers and shine a light on the truth.

These videos should be compulsory viewing in all Mosques in all western countries.

 

[Kirran]

I didn't mean to say "Judaism" but maybe "Israelites" or something.

What about Sabians and Samaritans?

While the strains are more distinct than within Hinduism or something, from an external perspective the degree of similarity between Abrahamic traditions makes it easier to lump it together as one broad tradition.

 

[Notanumber]

Sounds to me Islamophobia.

I would not expect to be called anything less from a follower of Islam. That is just the sort of thing that is being taught in Islamic schools.

 

[FearGod]

Because they are eye openers and shine a light on the truth.

These videos should be compulsory viewing in all Mosques in all western countries.

That what you believe in but that doesn't mean it tells the truth.

 

[FearGod]

I would not expect to be called anything less from a follower of Islam. That is just the sort of thing that is being taught in Islamic schools.

It's the reality, you said it, you're afraid that Islam may affect the western values,
I saw such values in the younow.

 

[LuisDantas]

Why having interest in something that doesn't exist according to what you believe?

Religion exists. It is often mistaken and abused, but it is not like I doubt its existence.

What is religion to you?

I am a buddhist of the hardcore atheist variety. A big part of the reason is my love for the idea of Interdependent Origination.

But I might very easily have become, say, a Shakta had I been raised in an environment that encouraged it. I just don't think I would be likely to believe in the literal existence of the Devas. Still, Shakti is a powerful concept that I have found increasingly appealling and inspiring.

Or I might have attempted conversion into Judaism. I have come to greatly admire the commitment to mutual understanding and support that Judaism seems to teach. I would like to think that I would not necessarily believe in Ibrahim's God even then, but who knows?

What I can't and won't do is lie about my beliefs to avoid the judgment of the Qur'an. I call myself lucky for not having been raised in a Muslim environment. Who knows what price I would pay if I did?

please define what religion according to your understanding?

Religion is the activity of sincerely taking the time and the trouble to consider our mutual responsibility towards the present and future. It also involves dealing with our legacies constructively.

Depending what is religion to you, would you explain how come that you're religious?

Mainly because I think it is necessary to care for our legacies and the consequences of our actions, hopes and goals.

 

[FearGod]

Religion exists. It is often mistaken and abused, but it is not like I doubt its existence.



I am a buddhist of the hardcore atheist variety. A big part of the reason is my love for the idea of Interdependent Origination.

But I might very easily have become, say, a Shakta had I been raised in an environment that encouraged it. I just don't think I would be likely to believe in the literal existence of the Devas. Still, Shakti is a powerful concept that I have found increasingly appealling and inspiring.

Or I might have attempted conversion into Judaism. I have come to greatly admire the commitment to mutual understanding and support that Judaism seems to teach. I would like to think that I would not necessarily believe in Ibrahim's God even then, but who knows?

What I can't and won't do is lie about my beliefs to avoid the judgment of the Qur'an. I call myself lucky for not having been raised in a Muslim environment. Who knows what price I would pay if I did?


Religion is the activity of sincerely taking the time and the trouble to consider our mutual responsibility towards the present and future. It also involves dealing with our legacies constructively.


Mainly because I think it is necessary to care for our legacies and the consequences of our actions, hopes and goals.

Not convincing really, anyway, thanks for the response.

 

[LuisDantas]

Not convincing really, anyway, thanks for the response.

With all due respect... I don't care whether you are convinced. You have not earned that space.

 

[sovietchild]

Is Muhammad a good man, when he was leader of armed raids to rob merchant caravans in 623 to 624? These raids were not against military targets, and Muhammad acted no better than a warlord or a pirate.

Is he a good man for sending assassins in 624?

Is he a good man, when he rejected the term fromthe city of Ta'if that surrender to him, after a siege in 630, where they could keep their pagan religion? This demonstrate the Qur'an "no compulsion" was nothing but a lie, because he had forced Islam upon Ta'if.

And last, but not least, is that I don't believe in his story of meeting Gabriel or him receiving the Qur'an from god.

Do you know why he attacked merchant caravans in the first place?