What is Wrong With Jews Who Repeatedly Post the Most Hateful Propaganda Towards Muslims?

[Kirran]

Even though they are of a different ethnicity, I'll stand by my claim that there are many "tribes" or "groups" in the ME who have been displaced in the last 100 years. I'm not condoning the practice, but I find it interesting that the group that recently decided to call themselves "Palestinians" get so much more press than the other groups.

The Palestinians get screwed in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt too. In many ways, of the four countries which govern much of their population, Lebanon is the worst, followed by Israel, Syria and Jordan.

 

[Kenny]

The Palestinians get screwed in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt too. In many ways, of the four countries which govern much of their population, Lebanon is the worst, followed by Israel, Syria and Jordan.

I always wondered (according to sizes of lands), why didn't Lebanon, Syria and Jordan chip in some of their lands since so many of the Palestinians were from those countries too? Why chip away at the smallest of the four?

 

[Kirran]

I always wondered (according to sizes of lands), why didn't Lebanon, Syria and Jordan chip in some of their lands since so many of the Palestinians were from those countries too? Why chip away at the smallest of the four?

They weren't. The Palestinian populations there have been born as a result of 20th Century migrations.

 

[LuisDantas]

Hamas aren't doing this because they're not at a military advantage to Israel - Israel won't let them get one because it would end up being a bloodbath across the land if they did. But they do send rockets aplenty against Israel which have struck plenty of civilian targets.

Indeed. That is the problem I have with statements such as those of the OP.

Plenty of well-meaning people end up defending the rights of more or less "fantasyland" people. It makes meaningful dialogue difficult.

 

[LuisDantas]

I always wondered (according to sizes of lands), why didn't Lebanon, Syria and Jordan chip in some of their lands since so many of the Palestinians were from those countries too? Why chip away at the smallest of the four?

Giving people land feel like a great idea, until one has to ask where that land will come from.

 

[Kenny]

Giving people land feel like a great idea, until one has to ask where that land will come from.

If land is to be given... the question remained as why those "interested" countries didn't give some of their excess for "humanitarian" reasons.

Obviously because it had nothing to do with Palestinian needs but rather the attempt to get Israel to be more vulnerable.

 

[Kirran]

If land is to be given... the question remained as why those "interested" countries didn't give some of their excess for "humanitarian" reasons.

Obviously because it had nothing to do with Palestinian needs but rather the attempt to get Israel to be more vulnerable.

It is relevant that the Palestinians come from areas currently under Israeli jurisdiction.

 

[icehorse]

Your evidence for such an obnoxious claim is what?

Well one example would be the fact that SA is on the UN's human rights committee - give me a break.

 

[LuisDantas]

If land is to be given... the question remained as why those "interested" countries didn't give some of their excess for "humanitarian" reasons.

Do countries ever think of themselves as having excess land?

Honestly, I am not sure that ever happened.

Obviously because it had nothing to do with Palestinian needs but rather the attempt to get Israel to be more vulnerable.

It seems to me that many Muslims have actually convinced themselves that making Israel more vulnerable is an actual need for them.

I am not sure about the actual history of the hatred for Israel - to the best of my current understanding it is generally a mix of the difficult legacy of British-overseen Mandatory Palestine from 1920-1948 with an even more difficult clash of expectations and prides since.

It is certainly a long and complex history. But it has become increasingly difficult to find reason to sympathise with the anti-Israeli side of it. Learning more about Islaam in recent years did not help any, either; even the apologists paint a rather undefensible portrait of the doctrine.

 

[Kirran]

It is certainly a long and complex history. But it has become increasingly difficult to find reason to sympathise with the anti-Israeli side of it.

I started out with my society's default deep anti-Israel sentiment. Learning more about it, I drifted towards being maybe slightly more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine, although still quite critical of Israel, before eventually coming to a place where I'm not really pro- or anti- either one of them. The grievances of both have some basis in reality and some in fantasy, but generally it's all a bunch of s*** on both sides.

 

[Akivah]

Few? Must be some parallel universe.

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How many times did the UN condemn this?

With the need of humanitarian aid in Palestinian held lands... why do they spend so much money on tunnels, bombs and weaponry?

Answer is simple, as the have stated, "LITTLE SATAN, ISRAEL, MUST BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP"

The said, "give us some land and we will acknowledge your rights and stop fighting". So Israel gave land and nothing happened.

Actually when Israel gives up land, Arab attacks intensify.

 

[Kirran]

Actually when Israel gives up land, Arab attacks intensify.

Israel is in the tricky situation where if it loosens its grip, things get worse, and if it tightens its grip, things get worse. And things are also bad if the grip stays the same.

 

[ChristineM]

Hamas aren't doing this because they're not at a military advantage to Israel - Israel won't let them get one because it would end up being a bloodbath across the land if they did. But they do send rockets aplenty against Israel which have struck plenty of civilian targets.

From 2004 to 2014 there were 26 people killed by Palestinian rocket attacks in Israel, data generally available in the www.

Israel itself admits killing over 2100 Palestinians in 2014 alone ( other sources are higher with the number of civilian deaths claimed between 761 (israel) to 1462 (un hcr) to 1617 (hamas))

There is already a bloodbath but i suppose Palestinian deaths don't matter.

 

[Akivah]

Israel is in the tricky situation where if it loosens its grip, things get worse, and if it tightens its grip, things get worse. And things are also bad if the grip stays the same.

That actually fits. No matter what Israel does, it is criticized.

I opened a thread a few years back describing Israeli medical practices of treating the most badly wounded person at a terrorist attack first, no matter what nationality or religion they are. And several Muslims complained to me that Israel heals the Muslim terrorists.

 

[Kirran]

That actually fits. No matter what Israel does, it is criticized.

I opened a thread a few years back describing Israeli medical practices of treating the most badly wounded person at a terrorist attack first, no matter what nationality or religion they are. And several Muslims complained to me that Israel heals the Muslim terrorists.

I don't mean about criticism. I mean about security for the Israelis and Palestinians.

 

[ChristineM]

Google how many aid dollars the world has sent to Hamas in the last decade, and how much of that "aid" Hamas used to buy aggressive weapons.

Thanks for that tip, it seems much was used to buy humanitarian aid that Israelis block

Whereas

3.1 billion dollars given to the Israeli military by the US alone each year. The total non military aid for 2003 was over 140 billion

 

[icehorse]

From 2004 to 2014 there were 26 people killed by Palestinian rocket attacks in Israel, data generally available in the www.

Israel itself admits killing over 2100 Palestinians in 2014 alone ( other sources are higher with the number of civilian deaths claimed between 761 (israel) to 1462 (un hcr) to 1617 (hamas))

There is already a bloodbath but i suppose Palestinian deaths don't matter.

Most of this warfare is occurring around Gaza, correct? Imagine that Gazans stopped aggressive actions today - as of today there was no more tunnel digging, no more rocket launches, no more sneaking into Israel to commit acts of terrorism, and so on. If all of that stopped today, do you think more Palestinian lives would be lost due to Israel's military? I believe all hostilities would simply stop.

 

[Kirran]

Most of this warfare is occurring around Gaza, correct? Imagine that Gazans stopped aggressive actions today - as of today there was no more tunnel digging, no more rocket launches, no more sneaking into Israel to commit acts of terrorism, and so on. If all of that stopped today, do you think more Palestinian lives would be lost due to Israel's military? I believe all hostilities would simply stop.

Hamas is hardly the only Palestinian militia. And it is not unreasonable to expect that there will be anti-Israel militias operating given the situation in which Palestinians find themselves as a result of Israeli military policy.

 

[icehorse]

Hamas is hardly the only Palestinian militia. And it is not unreasonable to expect that there will be anti-Israel militias operating given the situation in which Palestinians find themselves as a result of Israeli military policy.

So will you answer the question posed in post #303?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

From 2004 to 2014 there were 26 people killed by Palestinian rocket attacks in Israel, data generally available in the www.

Israel itself admits killing over 2100 Palestinians in 2014 alone ( other sources are higher with the number of civilian deaths claimed between 761 (israel) to 1462 (un hcr) to 1617 (hamas))

There is already a bloodbath but i suppose Palestinian deaths don't matter.

This is what happens when you repeatedly hit someone bigger & stronger than you: they hit back - harder. And unfortunately for the Gazans:

1. Hamas have a penchant for killing civilians;
2. Hamas don't give a **** about Gaza;
3. The Gazans elected Hamas to power knowing it's their self-stated goal to wipe out Israel. It's a bit harder to feel sympathy for people who vote for a party knowing they plan to wage an unceasing war against a stronger, better equipped foe.

What are Israel supposed to do? Refuse to fire back? Let Hamas drop rockets on their civilians? Gazans wouldn't be dying in droves if Hamas weren't setting up rocket launching sites in residential areas or if they weren't hiding weapon & ammunition dumps inside schools.

And of course Palestinian deaths matter but I'm not the one trying to score points off of their deaths to argue why the Jews shouldn't have their own country for once.