What is Wrong With Jews Who Repeatedly Post the Most Hateful Propaganda Towards Muslims?

[ChristineM]

Few? Must be some parallel universe.

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How many times did the UN condemn this?

With the need of humanitarian aid in Palestinian held lands... why do they spend so much money on tunnels, bombs and weaponry?

Answer is simple, as the have stated, "LITTLE SATAN, ISRAEL, MUST BE WIPED OFF THE FACE OF THE MAP"

The said, "give us some land and we will acknowledge your rights and stop fighting". So Israel gave land and nothing happened.

Source for your image please

Israel pinch the land under threat.

 

[ChristineM]

Most of this warfare is occurring around Gaza, correct? Imagine that Gazans stopped aggressive actions today - as of today there was no more tunnel digging, no more rocket launches, no more sneaking into Israel to commit acts of terrorism, and so on. If all of that stopped today, do you think more Palestinian lives would be lost due to Israel's military? I believe all hostilities would simply stop.

Imagine in Israel gave back the land it has stolen since 1967, allowed the displaced to return home. Such a magnanimous act would probably the end of hostilities.

 

[Kirran]

So will you answer the question posed in post #303?

Assuming you mean 'would Palestinian deaths be reduced were Hamas to cease terrorist activity?', yes.

 

[ChristineM]

This is what happens when you repeatedly hit someone bigger & stronger than you: they hit back - harder. And unfortunately for the Gazans:

1. Hamas have a penchant for killing civilians;
2. Hamas don't give a **** about Gaza;
3. The Gazans elected Hamas to power knowing it's their self-stated goal to wipe out Israel. It's a bit harder to feel sympathy for people who vote for a party knowing they plan to wage an unceasing war against a stronger, better equipped foe.

What are Israel supposed to do? Refuse to fire back? Let Hamas drop rockets on their civilians? Gazans wouldn't be dying in droves if Hamas weren't setting up rocket launching sites in residential areas or if they weren't hiding weapon & ammunition dumps inside schools.

And of course Palestinian deaths matter but I'm not the one trying to score points off of their deaths to argue why the Jews shouldn't have their own country for once.

Hamas have agreed to end hostilities is Israel returns the land it has stolen since 1967. Israel has no intention of doing that.

I am not saying Israelis should not exist, i am saying they should not be so f***ing intolerant and greedy.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Imagine in Israel gave back the land it has stolen since 1967, allowed the displaced to return home. Such a magnanimous act would probably the end of hostilities.

It would in fact do the opposite - it would embolden Hamas (whose stated goal is the complete destruction of Israel) to keep going, keep fighting.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Hamas have agreed to end hostilities is Israel returns the land it has stolen since 1967. Israel has no intention of doing that.

Hamas have agreed to ceasefires in the past and have subsequently violated them. Their word is less than worthless.

I am not saying Israelis should not exist, i am saying they should not be so f***ing intolerant and greedy.

The Jews have been rejected in literally every country they've tried to settle in throughout history. Every nation they've wanted to make homes for themselves in has at one stage or another driven them out or made conditions so utterly unbearable the only sane option was for the Jews to leave. Or the nations have tried to wipe them out. Jews have been blamed for everything from 9/11 to the ****ing Black Death. The world has made it abundantly clear that there is no place the Jews can exist safely as a minority. Their only chance for living in peace for the duration is to have their own country with established borders, recognised internationally.

They want one country for themselves. Not an empire, not a confederacy, not a protectorate. So how on earth is acting to create that one country and associated peaceful future being "greedy"?

 

[Kirran]

Hamas have agreed to end hostilities is Israel returns the land it has stolen since 1967. Israel has no intention of doing that.

Fetah, I think. Although they openly say 'yeah, that's just for now, then we'll push on for the rest'.

 

[icehorse]

Imagine in Israel gave back the land it has stolen since 1967, allowed the displaced to return home. Such a magnanimous act would probably the end of hostilities.

Well "stolen" is an interesting word choice. It's commonly accepted that when attackers lose territory, they don't get it back, correct?

 

[ChristineM]

Fetah, I think. Although they openly say 'yeah, that's just for now, then we'll push on for the rest'.

That's what they say. Neither trusts the other, I'm not surprised its hard to trust in in the situation.

 

[ChristineM]

Hamas have agreed to ceasefires in the past and have subsequently violated them. Their word is less than worthless.



The Jews have been rejected in literally every country they've tried to settle in throughout history. Every nation they've wanted to make homes for themselves in has at one stage or another driven them out or made conditions so utterly unbearable the only sane option was for the Jews to leave. Or the nations have tried to wipe them out. Jews have been blamed for everything from 9/11 to the ****ing Black Death. The world has made it abundantly clear that there is no place the Jews can exist safely as a minority. There only chance for living in peace for the duration is to have their own country with established borders, recognised internationally.

They want one country for themselves. Not an empire, not a confederacy, not a protectorate. So how on earth is acting to create that one country and associated peaceful future being "greedy"?

As has Israel, it works both ways.

They were given israel, the unwanted more, they took it.

Stealing the land is how.

 

[ChristineM]

Well "stolen" is an interesting word choice. It's commonly accepted that when attackers lose territory, they don't get it back, correct?

 

[Kirran]

It's not quite so clear-cut as that map indicates a lot of the time, @ChristineM - it's hard to see what the Israeli government should have done with the portions of Palestine captured from Jordan and Egypt in the Six-Day War. They should have got out fast, but they dithered too long and then it became dangerous to pull out, so they screwed everybody.

Keep in mind, the Israeli government has no long-term plan here, colonialist or otherwise. They think six months ahead, possible up to five years, but definitely no more.

 

[Kenny]

Imagine in Israel gave back the land it has stolen since 1967, allowed the displaced to return home. Such a magnanimous act would probably the end of hostilities.

Imagine if we gave back the lands that were stolen from the Israelites in the year 70AD.

If giving land back would end hostilities, then there would never have been a Jewish persecution before 1967.

No, giving land doesn't change when people believe Jews should be exterminated. It has been going on for a long time even millenniums.

 

[ChristineM]

It's not quite so clear-cut as that map indicates a lot of the time, @ChristineM - it's hard to see what the Israeli government should have done with the portions of Palestine captured from Jordan and Egypt in the Six-Day War. They should have got out fast, but they dithered too long and then it became dangerous to pull out, so they screwed everybody.

Keep in mind, the Israeli government has no long-term plan here, colonialist or otherwise. They think six months ahead, possible up to five years, but definitely no more.

True, but my gripe is the land grabs of more recent years.

 

[icehorse]

Hey @ChristineM -

These maps assume a specific time and geographic context. I'm not convinced they are assuming a fair starting point for analysis. For example, members of the tribe now calling themselves Palestinians were also living in what's now Jordan and Egypt. So Why aren't those areas also colored yellow in your maps? Isn't it fair to say that Jordanian's also "stole" land from this tribe?

 

[ChristineM]

Imagine if we gave back the lands that were stolen from the Israelites in the year 70AD.

If giving land back would end hostilities, then there would never have been a Jewish persecution before 1967.

No, giving land doesn't change when people believe Jews should be exterminated. It has been going on for a long time even millenniums.

That is the position of hamas, Israel refuse.

The Jewish people were given the land to set up Israel, they want and take more.


Yet who is being exterminated

 

[Kirran]

True, but my gripe is the land grabs of more recent years.

There hasn't really been one since '67. It's just been varying playings-out of that one for two generations.

 

[Kirran]

Hey @ChristineM -

These maps assume a specific time and geographic context. I'm not convinced they are assuming a fair starting point for analysis. For example, members of the tribe now calling themselves Palestinians were also living in what's now Jordan and Egypt. So Why aren't those areas also colored yellow in your maps? Isn't it fair to say that Jordanian's also "stole" land from this tribe?

No they weren't, dude.

 

[ChristineM]

Hey @ChristineM -

These maps assume a specific time and geographic context. I'm not convinced they are assuming a fair starting point for analysis. For example, members of the tribe now calling themselves Palestinians were also living in what's now Jordan and Egypt. So Why aren't those areas also colored yellow in your maps? Isn't it fair to say that Jordanian's also "stole" land from this tribe?

Of course they show a specific time. From the time modern Israel was founded

 

[ChristineM]

There hasn't really been one since '67. It's just been varying playings-out of that one for two generations.

They are happening all the time, hence the repeated un resolutions that israel cease all resettlement activities