It's a common misconception that Zionism is entirely religious in basis. Historically, Religious Zionism has been of pretty marginal importance, although it's growing in strength now.
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What is Wrong With Jews Who Repeatedly Post the Most Hateful Propaganda Towards Muslims?
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It's a common misconception that Zionism is entirely religious in basis. Historically, Religious Zionism has been of pretty marginal importance, although it's growing in strength now.
Just to clarify context: Would you agree or disagree that Hamas has declared war on Israel?
This question is independent of whether you feel Hamas is justified in its actions.
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Maybe because they are poor,weak ....etc ?
Evil is evil,bad is bad whoever the doers. get it ?
So maybe Arafat made-up the idea of a Palestinian state about 50 years ago, and none of the regional powers are really interested in making it happen. So if you want to say that Israel and Egypt and Jordan are ALL behaving badly towards Arafat's tribe, then that would change the entire conversation. And, BTW, I think it would help!
Official, i don't believe so.
I also don't think hamas is justified in it's actions, neither do i think Israel is justified in its actions.
Lebanon's probably worse than those other three. And Syria was quite bad, although it's sort of suspended from these sorts of discussions at the moment.
I read of a Palestinian writer of Israeli citizenship, who said that the "apartheid" comparisons which people throw at Israel were hyperbole. But that apartheid was a fair term to level at Lebanon for its treatment of Palestinians.
leibowde84
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This has nothing to do with killing Christian children to use their blood for matzah.
It started because of antisemitism ... nothing more. There is absolutely no evidence that it started for anything beyond hatred for the Jews. Christianity used to teach hatred for the Jews because of the execution of Jesus. Just another example of how Jews have been continuously hated for no plausible reason.
It is unreasonable to connect anything happening today with the Nazis, as there is nothing like the final solution going on today.
You are welcome to your dire opinion about what MIGHT happen in the future. You have not presented any evidence beyond mere unfair animosity towards Muslims from a group of bigots. I live in the US, in Washington DC, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that the vast majority of people living here do not have animosity towards Muslims in general. Sure, there are some, but not even close to a majority. In more rural places where ignorance abounds, that is different. But, there is no conspiracy to eradicate Islam from the world. At least no one has any concrete evidence of such.Yet... and that is the point of the thread, it only takes enough inciting hate, and animosity for a reaction; we're already seeing them globally with Muslims being assaulted in the street, etc.
Who cares if it is odd extremist, everyone keeps presenting it this is Muslims... So lets have WW3, and see who survives after.
leibowde84
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Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world - Wikipedia
The relationship between Nazi Germany (1933–1945) and the leadership of the Arab world encompassed contempt, propaganda, collaboration and in some instances emulation. Cooperative political and military relationships were founded on shared hostilities toward common enemies, such as British and French imperialism, colonialism, communism, and Zionism. Hitler made warm statements about Islam as a religion and political ideology. However, official Nazi ideology also considered Arabs to be racially inferior to Germans.
Some wealthy Arabs who traveled to Germany in the 1930s brought back fascist ideals and incorporated them into Arab Nationalism.[25] One of the principal founders of Ba'athist thought and the Ba'ath Party, Zaki al-Arsuzi, stated that Fascism and Nazism had greatly influenced Ba'athist ideology. An associate of al-Arsuzi, Sami al-Jundi, wrote:
"We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books that were the source of the Nazi spirit. We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism. Michel Aflaq a founder of the Ba'athist philosophy admired Hitler and the Nazis for standing up to Britain and America. This admiration would combine aspects of Nazism into Ba'athism."[26][27]
Haj Amin al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler on 28 November 1941.
The two most noted Arab politicians who actively collaborated with the Nazis were Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (al Quds) Haj Amin al-Husseini,[28][page needed][29] and the Iraqi prime minister Rashid Ali al-Gaylani.[30][31]
Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world - Wikipedia
The relationship between Nazi Germany (1933–1945) and the leadership of the Arab world encompassed contempt, propaganda, collaboration and in some instances emulation. Cooperative political and military relationships were founded on shared hostilities toward common enemies, such as British and French imperialism, colonialism, communism, and Zionism. Hitler made warm statements about Islam as a religion and political ideology. However, official Nazi ideology also considered Arabs to be racially inferior to Germans.
Some wealthy Arabs who traveled to Germany in the 1930s brought back fascist ideals and incorporated them into Arab Nationalism.[25] One of the principal founders of Ba'athist thought and the Ba'ath Party, Zaki al-Arsuzi, stated that Fascism and Nazism had greatly influenced Ba'athist ideology. An associate of al-Arsuzi, Sami al-Jundi, wrote:
"We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books that were the source of the Nazi spirit. We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism. Michel Aflaq a founder of the Ba'athist philosophy admired Hitler and the Nazis for standing up to Britain and America. This admiration would combine aspects of Nazism into Ba'athism."[26][27]
Haj Amin al-Husseini and Adolf Hitler on 28 November 1941.
The two most noted Arab politicians who actively collaborated with the Nazis were Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (al Quds) Haj Amin al-Husseini,[28][page needed][29] and the Iraqi prime minister Rashid Ali al-Gaylani.[30][31]
Yes, read it and much more, it doesn't tell the whole story as my link demonstrates
Doesn't have to, it gives a reason for Christians and others to perceive Jews might kill babies.
If you don't even understand the ideas behind the myth; sorry i give up on replying, not repeating it, when you're determined to only see history your way..
leibowde84
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So, you are merely using a straw man argument. My claim was that Muslim leaders worked with and liked the Nazis and the Nazi ideology. Arab leaders did a great deal to help Hitler back then.
leibowde84
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"Baal" in Jeremiah is not referring to Yahweh, the God of the Jews. It is a reference to a very different Deity, an ancient Canaanite deity (one of many), who was a "fertility god". Baal worshipers, as referred to in Jeremiah, were NOT JEWS. Jeremiah is complaining about polytheism, as Baal is one of many gods in ancient Canaanite society.
Who was Baal?
Thus, you are way off base. Your passage isn't even referring to Jews sacrificing children. It is a reference to Jews getting upset and disapproving of those who sacrificed children to Baal.
You were dead wrong. Baal wasn't the the Jewish god in the passage you referenced. So, even in your passage, Jews were not sacrificing children.If you don't even understand the ideas behind the myth; sorry i give up on replying, not repeating it, when you're determined to only see history your way..
Because of not understanding any of the concepts presented; thus not sure want to debate with someone refusing to acknowledge how ideas, and myths come into existence, nothing happens by chance, everything has some form of origin...
That item within Jeremiah wasn't meant to be item specific (Boolean), it is an idea (variable), the same as the Jews killed jesus idea, and all the other references in the Biblical texts of sacrificing people, then all it took is a flame to light a dry haystack.
We also need to understand YHVH said he was going to do all this to them, for rejecting him.
Desert Snake
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Are you confirming these statements with the Jewish Encyclopedia?
The last thing Moses did was to curse Israel if they'd not listen to YHVH (Deuteronomy 28:15-68), where they will be persecuted throughout the nations (Deuteronomy 8:25).
Desert Snake
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For context, do you think that jesus is JHVH?The last thing Moses did was to curse Israel if they'd not listen to YHVH (Deuteronomy 28:15-68), where they will be persecuted throughout the nations (Deuteronomy 8:25).
Yeshua had YHVH's spirit upon him, and has fulfilled the preemptive prophecies as Messiah; therefore they've rejected YHVH's instructions....
This is a totally different topic tho, and please if anyone wishes to discuss these topics, expand to another thread, as we've got enough issues with derailing.
Desert Snake
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I don't think that knowing what/who you mean, when you quote that verse, is derailing the thread.Yeshua had YHVH's spirit upon him, and has fulfilled the preemptive prophecies as Messiah; therefore they've rejected YHVH's instructions....
This is a totally different topic tho, and please if anyone wishes to discuss these topics, expand to another thread, as we've got enough issues with derailing.
The thread is about not taking sides between Muslims and Jews, where everyone has spent a lot of it taking sides...
Justifying that the reason all of this is happening, is a prearranged plan by YHVH, inevitably will cause sides.