What is wrong with religion?

[Smoke]

Most of the terrorism in the world today is carried out by Muslim fundamentalists,

Wow. when communism took over in russia and 30 mil were killed I did not know stalin was muslim. when the nazi's killed 25 mil germans and 20 mil russians. I did not know that they were all muslims. I did not know the IRA were muslims. I did not know timothy Mcvey was muslim. I did not know the russian gang lords who the afghanis fought were muslims.

Please take out your dictionary and look up "most" and "today."

any evidence for this, can you give me a specific incident in the time of Muhammed or the any of the caliphas.

I already gave two examples, and I could spend days listing others, but what difference would it make? You will never believe that your prophet and caliphs could commit any evil, and will just multiply excuses for their brutality.

 

[MBones]

The first premise Mr peace. Is that all religions should be tolerable, by all. I agree with that. Then we should all agree that all religions, are wrong... Period....Then we need the whole world to embrace a worldly religion that works for every people, spirit, and animal of this land. That may be hard. My whole premise is that as long as we have different trains of thought , we will all be doomed. Religion is not good for this world. We are beyond that. Please tell me that there are educated people out there that are sick and tired of people dying in the name of religion. That is all I want. No religion. And mark my words.....NO RELIGION is worth killing innocent people, children, and bystanders over.

 

[MBones]

If you don't believe in evolution your are ignorant. Sorry you are. What college did you go to? What high school for the matter did you graduate from? That matters. It is called common sense. And that is what dooms our country. People who don't have it.

 

[wizanda]

If you don't believe in evolution your are ignorant. Sorry you are. What college did you go to? What high school for the matter did you graduate from? That matters. It is called common sense. And that is what dooms our country. People who don't have it.

:faint:
Stephen Hawkins believes in God as the mathematical equations are not random, just complicated...
Quantum Physics now semi-believe in God as the energy source of string theory comes from above...
So maybe they are just ignorant?

 

[MBones]

Very nice, but who said Stephen Hawking has the answer? ???? I don't believe in his whole view of Quantum Physics, I think his view is flawed for many reasons. That does not make him a respected part in the debate? Does it?

 

[wizanda]

Very nice, but who said Stephen Hawking has the answer? ???? I don't believe in his whole view of Quantum Physics, I think his view is flawed for many reasons. That does not make him a respected part in the debate? Does it?

No, yet does sort of enlighten to we are under taught in linear schooling and so presume loads....spent my life since schooling going "oh, doh, oh!"

 

[MBones]

What? That was kind of non -coherent?

 

[wizanda]

Science in my opinion is a religion, people base stuff on previous experiences and known facts and inform other that is correct....
At school i was taught one line on other religions and the rest on Christianity; i questioned the teacher at the time and was silenced.
So when we come at each other with facts, make sure these are substantial enough; else the foundation looked at from a high learning curve, can often contradict what we had been previously been taught to accept as truth.
The problem with science and religion is they can both be over turned, if enough evidence is opposing it.

 

[gnostic]

Science in my opinion is a religion, people base stuff on previous experiences and known facts and inform other that is correct....
At school i was taught one line on other religions and the rest on Christianity; i questioned the teacher at the time and was silenced.

Then you don't know much about science.

 

[MBones]

Yes you are right. But the fact is not many things have been proved by religion. And if they have I would like to hear that fact. But many things have been proved by science and evolution. And if you would like to hear from me I will elicit those facts. but first I would like to hear your facts about religion that is true.

 

[MBones]

yes Evidence, When did we ever have eveidence of a religion???? That is the whole premise of religion, bellief without evidence.That is what religion is all about. And plus what religion is right? there are many, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buhdists, etc... what one is right??? Can you answer that?

 

[wizanda]

yes Evidence, When did we ever have eveidence of a religion???? That is the whole premise of religion, bellief without evidence.That is what religion is all about. And plus what religion is right? there are many, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buhdists, etc... what one is right??? Can you answer that?

Yes all, yet none....=
The same as in Science, we work on the same principle of understanding things....
Equal findings being found in multiple results...

So when many of those say the Mustard seed (Upanishads, Dhammapada, Quran, Bible) is faith without needing supporting, and growing to the light without the aid of religions.....like we have as a child and an when an old person before death, grinning the same….
Then guess the prophets were all trying to say God has a mooring line to our soul, which is an energy or vibration from every single Quark within our body.....
The higher version of our self is how many perceive God to be...
Though evidence also suggests; multiple copies of sayings and facts globally in multiple places without communication; means it works in a realm of infinity to be able to coordinate such events.
So singular religion is a crazy notion to begin with, especially when allot of the books say they interlink….Quran especially, which doesn’t say much for Lazy Muslims arguing without understanding criterions set in place, to study with, not to shout at people…..

 

[Ozzie]

I met alot of people who don't believe in God, and when i engage in a discussuin with them about religion, they jump into conclusions saying that religion is the source of evil in the world and they start giving me some examples.

I think that what they saw about what religion's influnce on people did was not quite accurate, because people *used* religion to gain power, money and more land, because human beings found out that religion is the most effective tool in order to control their nation. Nevertheless, just because someone used fire to burn buildings so that doesn't mean fire is no longer a source of light, heat, and feeling warm.

The question which is begging to be answered now is, as we can see that religion "in general" is not the source of evil and human beings just used it in the wrong way, so then, what's wrong with religion?

Nothing wrong with religion being a source of personal morality. So long as it is not seen as the sole source of personal morality.

 

[Smoke]

:faint:
Stephen Hawkins believes in God as the mathematical equations are not random, just complicated...
Quantum Physics now semi-believe in God as the energy source of string theory comes from above...
So maybe they are just ignorant?

I think it's stretching things quite a bit to say that Hawkings believes in a personal god. His wife is a Christian, and has spoken about her faith, and I don't doubt that he respects his wife and her faith. However, if you read Hawkings, his "god" seems to be not so much a person as "the way things work." He says that a unified theory of physics would reveal "the mind of God," for instance. What believer would say that?

 

[rasor]

This is like stabbing someone in the heart in order to cure his cancer… sure the cancer would not affect him anymore, but did you really have to kill him in order to accomplish this…? Religion is not the cancer… the effects of Humans is… that’s the real wild card here… and no a Human doesn’t always do bad things either…

No its not ,its like saying if there is no religion it just takes away one of the weapons in mans arsenal he uses to kill .And yes I know man also uses religion for good. I just think the price is too high.

 

[Smoke]

This is like stabbing someone in the heart in order to cure his cancer… sure the cancer would not affect him anymore, but did you really have to kill him in order to accomplish this…? Religion is not the cancer… the effects of Humans is… that’s the real wild card here… and no a Human doesn’t always do bad things either…

More like removing a tumor. You might still have arthritis, but at least you wouldn't have the tumor. Removing the malign influence of Abrahamic religion wouldn't kill anybody.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

I already gave two examples, and I could spend days listing others, but what difference would it make? You will never believe that your prophet and caliphs could commit any evil, and will just multiply excuses for their brutality.

i missed it could you list it again where Muhammed and his companions are committers of injustice.

And please take the time to list the others. It is not that I do believe it you just have to give me an evidence. And you just saying it is not an evidence.

 

[!Fluffy!]

The problem with religion is legalism and its inherent abuses. Legalism is DEADLY TOXIC VIRUS spread by religion.

I discarded legalistic religion a long time ago yet remain a devout Christian.

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Religion sucks. I highly recommend a personal relationship with God instead.

 

[Smoke]

i missed it could you list it again where Muhammed and his companions are committers of injustice.

And please take the time to list the others. It is not that I do believe it you just have to give me an evidence. And you just saying it is not an evidence.

I don't think you're going to take an honest look at the evidence no matter what I tell you, so why waste my time? If you're really interested, go back in the thread and find what you missed, and take it from there. I suspect you'll contrive some justification for the incidents I mentioned, and if you do, that will prove my point.

 

[TashaN]

Yeah. But have you read the whole thing.

Well, i showed you where he said that Islam doesn't condone this, and if you have any further argument against him, so he is not here to defend himself. You know well that when i said a muslim in here, i meant someone who can defend himself/herself.

Anyway, if you know what does Islam say about this so no need for any further argument about who said what if they are not around.

You can say Islam doesn't to this or that, but it doesn't prevent Muslims who break the laws or even going against Islamic teaching.

I agree with you, and i just wanted to give you an example of the opinion of any regular member in here, but you brought up an old argument by a member who stopped coming in here.