What is wrong with sharia law?

[Terrywoodenpic]

Not really, as that's the common interpretation of that expectation. Problem being is that currently in the US, the militia, police, and military itself outgun the people.
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You only get to that if you add the second amendment to it.

As it is an amendment and not in the original,. It was never the original intention.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You only get to that if you add the second amendment to it.

As it is an amendment and not in the original,. It was never the original intention.

The Second Amendment was adopted December 15, 1791; the Constitution being ratified June 21, 1788, and was effective the following March. The Bill of Rights was also written along with the core Article of the Constitution, but only put into affect two years later. Without the Bill of Rights, the Constitution really only describes the government itself. So if the 2nd Amendment isn't an "original intention," then neither were the rights of the people as a whole.

 

[Kirran]

Yes there is some exceptions,I don't know about N Malaysia.I am against stoning adulterers.
homosexuality is not allowed in most of most countries,if someone can't follow the laws of that country,I think he should move to other country.same to Muslims in West.

So you're OK with the state killing people for atheism or homosexuality?

Just because they changed ?
NO.

In religious war,If they changed it and they become traitors in ,yes they should be killed.because they become in enemy side.

In one case in religious war,so become an enemy.

So what is the relevance of their change in religion on their death sentence? Surely it's the fact they betrayed the community during war, their religion is irrelevant?

 

[Shad]

Chopping the hand off of a thief is not eye for eye, tooth for tooth justice. If a thief steals a dollar, he should pay back a dollar. Dollar for dollar, not a hand for a dollar. As you say in your post, a thief's hand is worth more to him and society at large if he is a worker, then any number of dollars he stole.

Which is just a law of retaliation that has been outdated for centuries and replaced by the modern justice system. You ignore why people steal such a poverty yet expect people without money to pay the victim as if they can. Again people like you only look at crime but not the cause. Also this style of law does involve mutilation as per Iran as they literal look at it as an eye for an eye

When you figure out we are talking about Sharia law let me know.

Eye for eye justice would say the thief pays dollar for dollar, not body parts for a dollar.

I was talking about Sharia which is the topic which does contain the law I was talking about.

 

[sovietchild]

Which is just a law of retaliation that has been outdated for centuries and replaced by the modern justice system. You ignore why people steal such a poverty yet expect people without money to pay the victim as if they can. Again people like you only look at crime but not the cause. Also this style of law does involve mutilation as per Iran as they literal look at it as an eye for an eye

When you figure out we are talking about Sharia law let me know.



I was talking about Sharia which is the topic which does contain the law I was talking about.

Does modern justice system works in regions like Central America and South America?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No government I am aware of has ever wrote a provision in their constitution for armed revolution except the USA in our 2nd amendment.

The 2nd does not give us a provision for armed revolution. Defense, yes, but attempting to overthrow the government is a crime.

 

[sovietchild]

The 2nd does not give us a provision for armed revolution. Defense, yes, but attempting to overthrow the government is a crime.

USA supported those people who overthrow the Ukrainian government in 2014. So, in this case, does USA supports people who overthrow governments? In Ukraine, I read they'll put you to jail if you say a word incorrectly, how about that? I hear people are afraid to speak Russian because they afraid that they might get beaten. Ukraine is the birthplace of Russian language.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

USA supported those people who overthrow the Ukrainian government in 2014. So, in this case, does USA supports people who overthrow governments? In Ukraine, I read they'll put you to jail if you say a word incorrectly, how about? I hear people are afraid to speak Russian because they afraid that they might get beaten. Ukraine is the birthplace of Russian language.

The government does do stuff like that, but for a citizen to advocate the overthrow of the American government is a crime.

 

[Shad]

Does modern justice system works in regions like Central America and South America?

Wrong question. Do they actually use a modern justice system is the right question. Under socialist and dictatorship nations the system is not a modern one as evident by the massive corrupt within the justice system and the abuse by the executive branch which controls and dictate rulings to the judaical system. These very types of government make it impossible for the judaical system to function independently as done in a modern system. It uses the system to punish political opponents which the modern system can not do by law. In a modern system these branches are separate in order to avoid this very conflict of power and agenda. More so nations like Venezuela grant immunity to the military from all civic and civilian courts, no matter the charge. The modern system does not work in these countries as it is not actually in place.

Look up the states you are discussion as you have so far confused crimes with strict morality of black and white. You have confused the modern system as something these states actually use. You are oblivious to the nature of socialist states which use the justice system as a rubber stamp for control rather than an equal partner within government. You are oblivious to the issues on the ground in these nations. The why behind the crimes.

All you, and others, have done is create a caricature of a system you know nothing about then attempt to replace it with a system you follow while being oblivious to the abuses of Sharia that are known globally.

 

[Shad]

USA supported those people who overthrow the Ukrainian government in 2014. So, in this case, does USA supports people who overthrow governments? In Ukraine, I read they'll put you to jail if you say a word incorrectly, how about that? I hear people are afraid to speak Russian because they afraid that they might get beaten. Ukraine is the birthplace of Russian language.

You are confusing foreign policy with laws of a nation. Foreign policy is what is best for the nation it represents, and it's citizens, not what is best for other nations and citizens of those nations. The 2nd amendment applies to Americans, not Ukrainians. How Ukrainians treat their citizens is the problem of their government. If foreign policy was based on morality America would be invading most nations on the planet including almost every Muslim nation as American ideas of morality and rights are in opposition to Islamic ideas of morality and right. This would create another world war, even if Russia and China stayed out of the conflict. This would result in a massive death toll for other nations given the capabilities of the American military.

It is a bad idea to base foreign policy on a simple black and white morality dynamic while there is no globally accept idea of morality. There are some shared concepts but no single unified concept.

 

[Godobeyer]

So you're OK with the state killing people for atheism or homosexuality?

No I don't agree.

In Sharia law establish in my country and most of Muslims countries don't kill people because of atheism and homosexuality.

So what is the relevance of their change in religion on their death sentence? Surely it's the fact they betrayed the community during war, their religion is irrelevant?

Don't you get it, I explained it servel times !

That's only in religious war to be betraying,to go side of enemy.

as I said before there exemple in Sirah,where Muslims left Islam,they did not killed them

 

[Kirran]

No I don't agree.

In Sharia law establish in my country and most of Muslims countries don't kill people because of atheism and homosexuality.

So then surely you think most countries which claim to apply sharia law have some major problems with their interpretations, if they do these things?

Don't you get it, I explained it servel times !

That's only in religious war to be betraying,to go side of enemy.

as I said before there exemple in Sirah,where Muslims left Islam,they did not killed them

So it's not about whether they change their religion or not at all? So why talk about it in relation to that?

 

[Godobeyer]

So then surely you think most countries which claim to apply sharia law have some major problems with their interpretations, if they do these things?

Yes they had problem in their interpretations.

So it's not about whether they change their religion or not at all? So why talk about it in relation to that?

Yes,about betraying.

 

[Kirran]

Yes they had problem in their interpretations.

I'd say if you're killing people on account of differences in interpretation, those interpretations have too much power.

Really think about what it means that a different in scriptural interpretation means that human beings are dying because of who they're attracted to or because of their philosophical stances.

Yes,about betraying.

OK, well that actually makes a bit more sense than killing people for their religious beliefs.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'd say if you're killing people on account of differences in interpretation, those interpretations have too much power.

Really think about what it means that a different in scriptural interpretation means that human beings are dying because of who they're attracted to or because of their philosophical stances.

If those interpretations have too much power,so suppose most of Muslim countries adopt them.

OK, well that actually makes a bit more sense than killing people for their religious beliefs.

That's what I am trying to explain,and that's what happened in era of prophet Muhammad(pbuh).
He forgive many person left Islam.

 

[Kirran]

If those interpretations have too much power,so suppose most of Muslim countries adopt them.

How do you mean?

That's what I am trying to explain,and that's what happened in era of prophet Muhammad(pbuh).
He forgive many person left Islam.

Cool!

 

[Godobeyer]

How do you mean?

I mean if killing homosex and atheist or who left Islam had strong interpretation,so most of Muslims countries apply that.

 

[Kirran]

I mean if killing homosex and atheist or who left Islam had strong interpretation,so most of Muslims countries apply that.

Why do you refer to people as 'homosex', that's not a word?

In which case that means that surely in the majority of cases there are major problems with how sharia law is applied? Which kinda goes against what you said earlier.

 

[Godobeyer]

Why do you refer to people as 'homosex', that's not a word?

In which case that means that surely in the majority of cases there are major problems with how sharia law is applied? Which kinda goes against what you said earlier.

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I don't get your last paragraphe .

 

[Kirran]

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I don't get your last paragraphe .

I'd advise against using that word man.

You said earlier: "I see no problem,yes most of Muslim countries used Sharia law,which almost the same laws like :Egypt,Morroco,Algeria,Tunisia,Saudi Arabia ,Kuwiet,Emarites,Bahrian,Yeman,Sudan,I think also Malysia,Indonisia....etc" but now you're saying there are big problems with the interpretation of sharia.

Also, if a system is so prone to corruption, and if that corruption produces such truly disastrous consequences, why give it so much power?

Incidentally, I looked it up: of Muslim-majority countries, the ones which are not governed by sharia law in their judicial system are Tunisia, Mali, Chad, Niger, Turkey, Senegal, Guinea, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.