What is wrong with sharia law?

[Brian Schuh]

I think it was more about tax burdens and disidentification with the metropole.

Some groups of colonists left England to escape religious persecution. Which from what you say about Islam, England might still be persecuting other religions.

The Church of England started because one of your kings wanted a divorce.

 

[Kirran]

Some groups of colonists left England to escape religious persecution. Which from what you say about Islam, England might still be persecuting other religions.

The Church of England started because one of your kings wanted a divorce.

Yeah, there were big problems with religious persecution in England at the time! In much of Europe, actually, as well in many of the colonies - Quakers didn't have it good in New England for a while there.

I don't know what you mean by 'what I say about Islam' exactly.

That was the trigger, yes, but it was building on long-standing differences between the Catholic Church in the British Isles and that on the continent. It wasn't quite so simplistic.

 

[firedragon]

What is wrong with sharia law? A law like that could help most criminal regions like Americas (2 continents) get back on the right track. Wouldn't you think so?

Get back to the right track with Shariah? Thats a joke.

And if you tell me the one Shariah, or the one book of Shariah, considerations can be done.

 

[Kirran]

Get back to the right track with Shariah? Thats a joke.

And if you tell me the one Shariah, or the one book of Shariah, considerations can be done.

Yo, you a secularist?

 

[Brian Schuh]

Yeah, there were big problems with religious persecution in England at the time! In much of Europe, actually, as well in many of the colonies - Quakers didn't have it good in New England for a while there.

I don't know what you mean by 'what I say about Islam' exactly.

That was the trigger, yes, but it was building on long-standing differences between the Catholic Church in the British Isles and that on the continent. It wasn't quite so simplistic.

Yeah. When Anglicans came to America, they even didn't want to identify with England and changed their name to Episcapalians instead of Anglicans.

 

[Kirran]

Yeah. When Anglicans came to America, they even didn't want to identify with England and changed their name to Episcapalians instead of Anglicans.

Very true. There are various different labels used by the churches under the overall umbrella of the Anglican Communion.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Very true. There are various different labels used by the churches under the overall umbrella of the Anglican Communion.

I see that you are reasonable. The great Bill Wilson who helped write one of the best selling books every year since it was published, spoke against unreasonable prejudice. Implying that if prejudice is reasonable then it isn't toxic.

All I say about this is that if Shariah courts were restricted along the same ways the Beit Din is restricted in the states, then Shariah courts could be a stabilizing force in the US.

You got to consider Torah law also has a lot of aspects that are barbaric and seem outdated along many of same lines as Shariah. But we in the US allow as much autonomy to citizens as is reasonable and we encourage citizens to self govern again within reason.

 

[Kirran]

I see that you are reasonable. The great Bill Wilson who helped write one of the best selling books every year since it was published, spoke against unreasonable prejudice. Implying that if prejudice is reasonable then it isn't toxic.

All I say about this is that if Shariah courts were restricted along the same ways the Beit Din is restricted in the states, then Shariah courts could be a stabilizing force in the US.

You got to consider Torah law also has a lot of aspects that are barbaric and seem outdated along many of same lines as Shariah. But we in the US allow as much autonomy to citizens as is reasonable and we encourage citizens to self govern again within reason.

Thankyou! That is kind of you to say.

Ah, I see what you mean. Personally I do oppose the use of sharia courts and Beth Din even at that local level, but I had understood (perhaps wrongly) that what we were discussing here was the establishment of sharia as state law. They're very different issues, really, with their own independent issues.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Thankyou! That is kind of you to say.

Ah, I see what you mean. Personally I do oppose the use of sharia courts and Beth Din even at that local level, but I had understood (perhaps wrongly) that what we were discussing here was the establishment of sharia as state law. They're very different issues, really, with their own independent issues.

There are a few ultra orthodox Jews who want to set up courts worldwide to enforce the 7 laws of Noah. Complete with execution by a blade (guillotine or sword.) what do you think of that?

 

[Kirran]

There are a few ultra orthodox Jews who want to set up courts worldwide to enforce the 7 laws of Noah. Complete with execution by a blade (guillotine or sword.) what do you think of that?

You mean those dudes trying to get up a new Sanhedrin? Ha, that's like the fringe of a fringe of a fringe!

But yeah, obviously I don't want them to do that!

 

[Brian Schuh]

You mean those dudes trying to get up a new Sanhedrin? Ha, that's like the fringe of a fringe of a fringe!

But yeah, obviously I don't want them to do that!

The conflicts between Noahide law and the US law include idol worship and blasphemy are protected under our 1st amendment. But there are many more conflicts such as executing those who commit adultery, bestiality or homosexuality. But mainstream Judaism doesn't want to rewrite our laws to be consistent with all the halakah. So we can't assume mainstream Islam wants to rewrite all our laws according to shariah.

 

[Kirran]

The conflicts between Noahide law and the US law include idol worship and blasphemy are protected under our 1st amendment. But there are many more conflicts such as executing those who commit adultery, bestiality or homosexuality. But mainstream Judaism doesn't want to rewrite our laws to be consistent with all the halakah. So we can't assume mainstream Islam wants to rewrite all our laws according to shariah.

Right, I never said so.

Although unlike in Judaism, the majority of Muslims do support the establishment of sharia law. Of course there are substantial minorities of Muslim who are secularists, and more power to them.

There is only one Jewish-majority state in the world, and even there halakhic law is enforced only in areas of marriage and divorce law which relates to Jews. It resembles the Ottoman millet system, and isn't great but for other reasons.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

That's what we did. We could not stand England's outdated laws, so we founded America.

Actually you took the entire English common law and implemented it. To a very large extent it is still the basis of US law.
Independance was not about law it was about independance.

 

[Kirran]

Actually you took the entire English common law and implemented it. To a very large extent it is still the basis of US law.
Independance was not about law it was about independance.

It is worth considering that Brian Schuh himself may not have been directly involved in this. So it might be more a 'they' than a 'you' situation.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Actually you took the entire English common law and implemented it. To a very large extent it is still the basis of US law.
Independance was not about law it was about independance.

The liberalism movement of that time, partly growing out of the Magna Carta, not to be confused with modern liberals, demanded that a certain set of rights be given to the people and the king/government be restricted. The liberalism movement included allowing the people to organize themselves and arm themselves to dethrone the king/government if these rights for the people are denied.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The liberalism movement of that time, partly growing out of the Magna Carta, not to be confused with modern liberals, demanded that a certain set of rights be given to the people and the king/government be restricted. The liberalism movement included allowing the people to organize themselves and arm themselves to dethrone the king/government if these rights for the people are denied.

That my friend is both make believe and hogwash.

No Government has ever encouraged armed insurrection.
And Liberals have always worked within the law.

 

[Brian Schuh]

That my friend is both make believe and hogwash.

No Government has ever encouraged armed insurrection.
And Liberals have always worked within the law.

You obviously didn't read what I posted. The liberalism movement pushed for gun rights, I didn't say any government. And I made it clear that the liberalism movement is not to be confused with modern liberals. No offense, but are you able to comprehend what you read?

 

[Brian Schuh]

That my friend is both make believe and hogwash.

No Government has ever encouraged armed insurrection.
And Liberals have always worked within the law.

After you learn how to read and graduate high school, then take a year of history in college like I did. Then call yourself full of makebelieve and hogwash.

 

[Notanumber]

Of course there are substantial minorities of Muslim who are secularists

There may be substantial minorities of Muslims who are secularists, but they will treated in the same harsh manner as infidels if they refuse to fight for Islam.

 

[Godobeyer]

[So if there is no universal sharia law, why would one want to enforce an imperfect interpretation?

There is no enforce of imperfect interpretion.

Not used in all cases, wow how nice. From the perspective of a non-Muslim that would be like me saying 'I think people who become Muslim should be killed, but not always'

Yes,just one case in religious war.
He convert to other side and betraying his ex-side