What is wrong with sharia law?

[wicketkeeper]

And if I don't want to waste your tax dollars and choose instead to be heard before a Beit Din with my opponent's consent, should I be forced to immigrate to Israel?

Short answer is yes if that is what you want to do. I live in the UK and I answer only to Yahweh. I I do respect Common Law which in simple terms is do not strike another - unless you are defending yourself, do not cause damage to property and do not be fraudulent in financial matters.

No Victim No Crime.

Here in the UK we have the Queen who is the Protector of our faith. There is no place for Sharia Law here in the UK, we are a Christian country and those people who want to live here should abide by our laws. I have travelled to different countries where I respected the law of the land. Simple really. Common sense is in short supply!

 

[psychoslice]

Short answer is yes if that is what you want to do. I live in the UK and I answer only to Yahweh. I I do respect Common Law which in simple terms is do not strike another - unless you are defending yourself, do not cause damage to property and do not be fraudulent in financial matters.

No Victim No Crime.

Here in the UK we have the Queen who is the Protector of our faith. There is no place for Sharia Law here in the UK, we are a Christian country and those people who want to live here should abide by our laws. I have travelled to different countries where I respected the law of the land. Simple really. Common sense is in short supply!

Wonderfully said.

 

[Thief]

I have a question for you. Why are gyms in USA closed on December 25th?

social custom
yes it is.....

 

[Brian Schuh]

Short answer is yes if that is what you want to do. I live in the UK and I answer only to Yahweh. I I do respect Common Law which in simple terms is do not strike another - unless you are defending yourself, do not cause damage to property and do not be fraudulent in financial matters.

No Victim No Crime.

Here in the UK we have the Queen who is the Protector of our faith. There is no place for Sharia Law here in the UK, we are a Christian country and those people who want to live here should abide by our laws. I have travelled to different countries where I respected the law of the land. Simple really. Common sense is in short supply!

Well, I live in the land of the free. Although we are commonly believed to be a Christian country, we are not. But rather our Congress makes no law respecting an establishment of religion but we also do not prohibit the free exercise of religion.

Your united kingdom sends us a bill every year for a bunch of tea we dumped in the ocean. We were being taxed with no political representation. We have the Declaration of Independence where we list a bunch of abuses against us be one of YOUR kings and we celebrate this indendence every 4th of July. Any questions?

 

[psychoslice]

I think the reason why so many Muslims believe in such things as this barbaric law is because their religion doesn't teach them that their all One, yes we are all One with the Source, you can call this Source, God, Consciousness, Brahma, whatever, it doesn't matter what you label it as. When we see ourselves separate from the Source we then see each other separate from ourselves, so therefore we don't see the other s we are, and because of this we can be cruel to each other and have no guilt or remorse for whatever we do to the other. This inner experience to me personally is what is missing in such religions as the Muslims, where as belief systems such as Buddhism are far more gentle than they are, all because they see all as One, this is my opinion.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Like the Beit Din for Jews, obey the Jewish court and don't take another Jew before a heathen court, or what? Well, as we have no whips, jails nor gallows, we will frown on you. Same with shariah law, it will be rendered just as impotent as a Beit Din. But we must allow it to exist.

That wouldn't be Shariah. Beit Din overall has very little power and authority. Shariah requires things that would be considered immoral, unethical, and even illegal throughout most Western and Eastern nations. It has no business as legal jurisprudence outside of Muslim nations, and it most definitely should not find a place in the East or West. We have simply come to expect and cherish too many rights and freedoms that are inherently in violation of Shariah to let it have any legal power here.

 

[sovietchild]

I think the reason why so many Muslims believe in such things as this barbaric law is because their religion doesn't teach them that their all One, yes we are all One with the Source, you can call this Source, God, Consciousness, Brahma, whatever, it doesn't matter what you label it as. When we see ourselves separate from the Source we then see each other separate from ourselves, so therefore we don't see the other s we are, and because of this we can be cruel to each other and have no guilt or remorse for whatever we do to the other. This inner experience to me personally is what is missing in such religions as the Muslims, where as belief systems such as Buddhism are far more gentle than they are, all because they see all as One, this is my opinion.

You know...I like visiting Thailand - "Land of smiles". They call themselves a democratic nation, they even have a democracy monument in the capital. However though, the president of the country can only be Buddhist.

 

[psychoslice]

You know...I like visiting Thailand - "Land of smiles". They call themselves a democratic nation, they even have a democracy monument. However though, the president of the country can only be Buddhist.

And how wonderful that is, Buddhist are beautiful people.

 

[Papoon]

What is wrong with those people who don't like sharia law? Maybe those people have better ways. However, there is countries that don't have better ways.

That comes down to "Better ways to achieve exactly what ?"

Different cultures, and individuals within those cultures, have numerous ideas about purpose, values, diversity etc.

My point is that "better" is very slippery, perhaps too multivalued, to define. So generally speaking, the definitions of 'better' involve some circular reasoning where the preferred values are presented as fait accompli The Ultimate Goal of Human Life.

Of whatever flavor.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually, lex talionus which literally means "the laws of retaliation" or more commonly understood "eye for eye and tooth for tooth" is the foundation of US criminal law. The judeo-Christian ethic is the foundation of our society.

Our law isn't "eye for an eye." Our "legal retaliation" is a legal process where the plaintiff seeks compensation for damages, not to cause further destruction. We do allow for the worship of other gods, we do not mandate charity, we don't care if you work on the Sabbath, and both fornication and homosexuality are legal. We're not even much for corporal punishment for children anymore.

 

[wicketkeeper]

Well, I live in the land of the free. Although we are commonly believed to be a Christian country, we are not. But rather our Congress makes no law respecting an establishment of religion but we also do not prohibit the free exercise of religion.

Your united kingdom sends us a bill every year for a bunch of tea we dumped in the ocean. We were being taxed with no political representation. We have the Declaration of Independence where we list a bunch of abuses against us be one of YOUR kings and we celebrate this indendence every 4th of July. Any questions?

Nope, no questions. But I will leave you with this: The majority of the presidents of the US are related to Royal European Bloodlines ! And hows about this - Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump are cousins.

So if you cannot abide by the law of the land then simply leave.

 

[psychoslice]

That comes down to "Better ways to achieve exactly what ?"

Different cultures, and individuals within those cultures, have numerous ideas about purpose, values, diversity etc.

My point is that "better" is very slippery, perhaps too multivalued, to define. So generally speaking, the definitions of 'better' involve some circular reasoning where the preferred values are presented as fait accompli The Ultimate Goal of Human Life.

Of whatever flavor.

Anything is better that that barbaric law.

 

[psychoslice]

So this is what Islam does for entertainment, get out the popcorn.

 

[oldbadger]

Fun fact: A lot of "Sharia" laws were actually adopted from existing Roman and Persian laws so are technically secular in origin.

Absolutely!
And European and US and Christian laws include many of them as well!

 

[psychoslice]

Absolutely!
And European and US and Christian laws include many of them as well!

Doesn't make them right though, that's for sure.

 

[oldbadger]

Hi oldbadger.

The legal code according to this link says since 1979 Iran has been following Shariah law.

Judicial system of Iran - Wikipedia

Mona was executed under Shariah law.

At the time of her sentencing, President of the United States Ronald Reagan, made a plea for clemency; despite this, the sentence of the 10 women was carried out on the night of June 18, 1983, at a nearby polo field.

Mona Mahmudnizhad - Wikipedia

How utter heart wrenching and disgusting. All she did was teach children morals.

I am sorry about Mona.
But I notice that Bahais take absolutely no apparent interest in the scores of executions which take place each month in Iran, only Bahai ones?

Look...... you are supposed to OBEY the laws of the land that you live in. If you don't like the laws you shou either leave or STAY-WITHIN-THE-LAWS-OF-THE-ELECTED-GOVERNMENT!

I am sorry about Mona, but she was teaching children AGAINST THE LAWS OF AN ELECTED GOVERNMENT!

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Further, Iran is a Shi'ite government and many neighbouring Muslim governments do not accept Iran. Can you tell me how many Muslims get hanged each month?

No interest?

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A Bahai World House of Justice in a Bahai World would be pretty terrifying to some folks, methinks.

 

[oldbadger]

Doesn't make them right though, that's for sure.

Exactly!
Many European countries think that some US States are horrific, with their idea of Capital Justice.

 

[psychoslice]

Exactly!
Many European countries think that some US States are horrific, with their idea of Capital Justice.

Ha, no where as bad as Islam LOL.

 

[oldbadger]

I think law is generally over-rated. Still, to the extent that it should exist, it should certainly be secular.

OK....... so to some degree you might support secular criminal laws?

If so, then to some degree you would probably accept many Sharia laws because they overlap.

In England we don't like the name Sharia-Law because many immediately think of gangs of thugs playing at vigilante, using Sharia as an excuse to bully and commit serious crimes themselves, but but I'll bet that self-righteous secular and Christian vigilante thugs could be found elsewhere.

It's vigilantes that we don't like.

 

[Jedster]

The Jews have had their own law and their own courts all through US history. No one has ever had a problem with it. Why should it be different for Muslims? If one Jew disobeyed the Jewish court, he always had the option to take his opponent before a US court. Who has a problem with again?

I wanted to take a Jewish person before a Beth Din for a moral judgement.(I was not claiming any damages).
The person refused so I took then to the British legal system and was awarded £26000 in damages.
The judge said I could take it to a higher court and I could get much more(£250000).
I humbly declined saying I had wasted enough of my life(4 years!!!) in the bureaucracy of law courts.



Anyway, it sounds like the Beth Din works in the UK in a similar fashion to the USA.
http://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/the-beth-din.pdf