That is interesting. Do you typically follow Leviticus, wasn't that for priests? I don't tend to practice Judaism.
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What is wrong with those people who get tattoos?
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Shadow Wolf
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Say what you want, but even you project an image with your look, you put in more effort into your appearance than is necessary. Adornment isn't a lack of being content. You can be content with an unseasoned meal, but I'd rather it be enhanced and flavorful
If you read carefully, I stated a reason for visiting with friends is the enjoyment of their company.
It doesn't matter what you think. If you have no degree or license to practice psychology or psychiatry, it is unethical, and sometimes illegal, for you to offer psychological/psychiatric help.
I was merely pointing out that though you confidently stated someone else gives medical advice, most here do not. It's reckless, irresponsible, and unethical.
It's not always the case someone says the Earth is flat, but that doesn't mean they are right.
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sovietchild
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Here we go again with this.
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
"Unethical"? Obviously this is merely an opinion.
Here is my opinion. One who is dependent upon "certified" people to take care of one's psychological issues for them reveals a weak and fragile mind, one that has little ability to resolve its own psychological issues. I find it is most preferable to face these issues yourself. After all, it is your mind.
One can find valid psychological guidance and support from many kinds of people, most who do not have psychology degrees. The elders of one's family or tribe, one's relatives or friends or loved ones, colleagues even, teammates, comrades, spirtual/ religious councilors, etc. There is strength to be found in such things but one should not be dependent on them or some shrink; one should possess or at least strive to possess the ability to resolve one's own psychological issues.
Shadow Wolf
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It's not an opinion. Those with no background, no education, no experience, it's no different than someone with no background, education, or experience in medicine administering medical advice. People can offer advice, or guidance, but once you claim it is psychological counseling, if you don't have a degree and if you aren't lisenced to practice, it is, very literally, a major violation of ethics and sometimes even illegal.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's not a "here we go again." Such practices and fields are heavily bound within ethics. Trying to say you're something your not is not ethical, including by most religious standards.
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
I don't think the word "psychological" means what you think it means.
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(Meriam-Webster)
Psychological
- : of or relating to psychology
- : directed toward the will or toward the mind, specifically in its conative function
Sonofason
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It appears to me from the text that the commandment of God that pertains to printing marks on our bodies was intended for all of God's chosen people. This commandment along with many others was given to Moses by God, and God commanded Moses to share this statute with all of the children of Israel, not just the Levites, in order that they might be holy. (Leviticus 19:1-2)
While it may not be a crucial matter, I personally have no idea whether or not I ought to consider myself an Israelite. I have no idea if I am a descendant of Jacob, the son of Abraham, or not. To me, it doesn't really matter, because I have accepted Christ as my Savior, and I am therefore no longer held accountable under the covenant of The Mosaic Law, for as it is written, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believes."(Romans 10:4)
However, the very idea that God has displayed a desire for His people to be set apart from others, that God has more than once declared His desire for His people to be a holy people, I cannot allow to go unnoticed. While I recognize with great humility that I am incapable of adhering to all of God's commandments, it makes absolutely no sense to me to even try to suggest that there is no good reason for me to desire to do those things which please God. I understand fully that there is no good deed that I can do to merit God's grace and forgiveness apart from keeping my faith in the gospel of our Lord and Savior, but why on earth would I abstain from doing that which God considers holy?
Sonofason
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Kelly of the Phoenix
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Are you a nudist? If you were comfortable with your body, why wear clothes?
Shouldawouldacoulda. I'll take a shallow good deed over a deeply sincere bad deed any day of the week.
I seem to recall the Temple being highly decorated, as a matter of fact.
I'm in healthcare. If you have dementia, you don't get to sign your own consents. Of COURSE they have a weak and fragile mind .... THAT'S why they need professional help.
If your mind tells you that Satan wants you to kill a bunch of people ... should you be dealing with this yourself?
One wonders if the same standard is held for non clergy acting like they are.
Great! So Christians don't have to worry about shallow and petty things. That's a relief, isn't it?
I would take a heavily tattooed saint over a spotless sinner any day of the week.
Jesus: It is not what you put into your mouths that make you unclean ...
Sonofason: What about what you draw on your skin?
Jesus: I mean, really? I will speak more slowly: shallow ... surface ... things ... no ... make ... Papa ... care ...
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
Funny that a lot of christians have gotten tattoos of Jesus.
Shadow Wolf
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I know what it means. What you seem to think is that Meriam-Webster will give you more than a definition - it doesn't. For instance, it gives none of the laws, practices, or ethical policies that guide the field. One of those ethics--laws even--concerns those who give "psychological" counseling/advice without having a license to practice. I also notice it states nothing of internal review boards, which all research that involves humans are bound to, or the consequences for deviating your research from what you submitted to the IRB.
Now, you can keep going on that you are entitled to give psychological counseling without degree and license if you want. Ethically you shouldn't (and breaking ethical codes is often grounds for loosing your license to practice), and legally you can't. If you want to insist you can, start your "Lucy" therapy, and let me know how long it was before we are punished and all that your punishment includes.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
"Lacking an appearance I desire to see" is when I wake up and my hair is a mess. Thus I use abit of oil and brush it.
It doesn't change what you said, but it should change what you read, because "a part of the reason" does not imply sole reason, major reason, or only reason.
It is impossible for you to ethically and legally give medical advice, but there is nothing preventing you from pretending you are giving medical advice.
Shadow Wolf
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Not that I'm aware of. But I am sure that any theist that has any sort of human spiritual leader/guide will expect this person to have at least a minimally decent background and education in their theology and rituals. Someone with no background, knowledge, or education who just shows up and insists they can counsel in that religion most likely wouldn't be well received, or highly sought for their advice.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
This needs emphasized more. Getting help doesn't make you weak. Pretending you don't need help when you do does. Taking steps to better yourself and getting the help you need, that is strong. Some people have issues that they really do need professional help with a combination of cognitive/behavioral therapy and medication. Some people just need help learning and practicing better coping methods. Me having Asperger's, I'm in therapy to better my understanding of socializing and to better function in social settings. Now, I could have tried to keep doing this on my own, and continued to have been miserable and very lonely, but that is not what I want and because my social intuition and understanding is so poor and weak I decided to get help so I can better myself.
Really, in my case, not too much like a fitness trainer. I can go to the gym and do it all on my own and get the results that come my way, but if I wanted to get serious about it I would get a fitness trainer as they do know these things and would be able to help me maximize the efficiency of my workouts. There is no shame in getting help, as the only shame is pretending you don't and letting pride fester into arrogance.
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Every time I ever advised and inspired (or manipulated) anyone in some manner to shape and evolve their Weltanschauung (worldview), their spiritual-religious system, their internal universe, etc... I have counceled them psychologically. Everytime I have helped a comrade similarly develop and display the fortitude and psychological resilience required to mentally combat some traumatic experience, I have counceled them psychologically. Every time I helped a friend through a rough emotional situation, or guided someone into pulling themselves out of depression, or soothed or focused someone's anger, I have counceled them psychologically. If someone close to me approached me with a mind filled with conflicting passions and raging, uncontrolled emotions, and I helped them control that energy and direct it towards something less self-destructive and more productive or beneficial or empowering, I have counceled them psychologically. Every time I have motivated and inspired these people to go out and do these things on their own without being dependant upon my aid (aid which- despite what you implied- is something I always welcome to those I respect) I have counceled them psychologically.
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Sonofason
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Well, to be completely honest, I believe that nudity in public places is illegal. And according to the Bible I am supposed to obey the laws of the government under which I am accountable.
Before I go on to explain why I wear clothes in private places, I want to let you know that your question has got me thinking. Perhaps wearing clothes is a form of adornment. Certainly people often do wear certain clothes for purposes of adornment. But is that always the case? An adornment is "a thing that adorns or decorates". An adornment is "an ornament". And an ornament is "a thing used to make something look more attractive but usually having no practical purpose".
So then I have to ask myself, where can the distinction be made between wearing a piece of clothing for practical purposes and wearing a piece of clothing for purposes of adornment. To answer the question we need to recognize the practical purposes for wearing particular pieces of clothing. We wear clothing for protection. Surely that is a practical reason to wear clothing. If it's cold we need something to keep us warm. When the heat of the sun's rays is baking our skin, we need something to protect our skin from the radiation of the sun. We wear shoes to protect our feet from sharp objects. We wear socks to protect our feet from our shoes. etc...
So, it is probably safe to say that most of the time, because we are so active in our daily lives we wear clothes all the time for practical reasons. Many people do not wear clothes to bed; but under our covers, in the safety of our homes, we are usually well protected from those things that could do damage to our bodies.
So when do clothes become adornments as opposed to being practical garments? I have to admit, I can very subjectively consider all clothing to be practical. At first I was thinking that wearing gaudy or expensive clothing is not practical. Well, for me it does not seem practical. But that is not to say that other people cannot put forth practical reasons for wearing gaudy and expensive clothing. So I come to the example of my ripped jeans that I wear every day. I usually do not need anything more extravagant for any practical reason. When I am at work, with the work that I do, I would be spending an impractical amount of money if I were to go out and purchase new clothing every time I tore my jeans, or got a mark on my shirt that I could not remove. However, there are times when I have to work in an office where we have clients that my boss desires to impress. He has even once said to me to wear something nice when I work in the office, and I am quite certain that is the reason. Therefore, if I work in our office it is practical that I wear clothing that is not tarnished and torn. Surely I do not want to disappoint my boss. I need to work. I cannot afford to lose my job simply for not presenting myself (and him I suppose) according to his wishes.
So now we see that it can sometimes be practical to wear clothing to please others. Wow, this is not going how I wanted it to go. Because this is what people do. They wear clothing for protection, and they wear clothing to please others. I suppose that because the definition of practical is what it is, it is practical to wear clothing for any purpose at all, so long as there is indeed a purpose for each article of clothing that a person chooses to put on.
Thus, even if what I have said in previous posts on this thread is true, that people adorn themselves to feel better about themselves, adorning one's self nearly always can be said to be practical.
I have to admit, I would not feel very good about myself if I chose not to wear the sort clothing that my boss told me to wear. I would feel very insecure, and rightfully so.
Well your next statements involved the pettiness of some of God's commandments to his people. And I agree that many of those rules seem quite petty. But let me share with you an experience of mine...my daughter is a great kid, and she's very smart. I am very proud of her and her accomplishments at school. Thankfully, she doesn't do anything to my knowledge that is shameful. However, I do have one small petty complaint. When she goes into the kitchen she always leaves all of the cabinet doors open. I have on a few occasion hurt myself on them, hitting my head on the corners of the doors. I have asked her a couple of times to please close the doors when she is done, but she doesn't do it, and I have reasoned with her why I was requesting this of her. She continues to leave them open. I feel somewhat disrespected by her because of this. I no longer say anything about it because I realize how petty it is. I don't want to seem like a tyrant. I don't want to create ill will over something so petty. But let me ask you...How do you think I would feel if she suddenly started closing those doors?
Sonofason
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I guess those Christians, while they are Christians, the still lack a certain amount of respect for God. No one is perfect.
Sonofason
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Okay, it is very practical if you don't want your hair to be a mess to use a bit of oil and brush it. But why don't you want your hair to be a mess?
Yes, I understand that. But part of the reason still remains that to some degree tarnishes the action.
No, according to the definition of "medical advice" it is impossible for me to give it. What I could do is falsely present my advice regarding health matters as medical advice, and that would be unethical and possibly illegal. As you say, I could "pretend" to give medical advice. Pretending to give medical advice is not giving medical advice.
Sonofason
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I am going to back track a little now and seem to contradict myself somewhat. "medical advice" can be defined as advice given by a doctor, but it does not have to be. If my daughter's doctor prescribes a medicine for my daughter, I can give her some advice that is medical in nature. That would be medical advice that is not from a doctor. I can tell her to take the medicine as prescribed by her doctor, and that is medical advice. Giving medical advice is not unethical nor unlawful, but pretending to be a doctor is unethical and illegal.