What is wrong with those people who get tattoos?

[Shadow Wolf]

I have technically counceled them psychologically.

No, you haven't, and you are likely guilty of breaking a number of laws if you claim you have.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But why don't you want your hair to be a mess?

Probably because I don't like looking like a slobbish bum who is too lazy to take care of herself.

Yes, I understand that. But part of the reason still remains that to some degree tarnishes the action.

I see no tarnishing going on because I enjoy the company of friends.

Giving medical advice is not unethical nor unlawful

If you're not a doctor of medicine who is licensed to practice within their given field, it is unethical and in many situations unlawful. Medical advice isn't suggesting someone do what the doctor tells them to do, it's telling them what they have and what they need to do to fix it. It's why so many "holistic" and "new age" healers still encourage their clients to seek licensed professional medical help, and legally their methods are not intended to diagnose or treat any ailments. To not have such disclaimers can potentially but them in a world of serious legal troubles.

 

[Sonofason]

Probably because I don't like looking like a slobbish bum who is too lazy to take care of herself.

I see no tarnishing going on because I enjoy the company of friends.

If you're not a doctor of medicine who is licensed to practice within their given field, it is unethical and in many situations unlawful. Medical advice isn't suggesting someone do what the doctor tells them to do, it's telling them what they have and what they need to do to fix it. It's why so many "holistic" and "new age" healers still encourage their clients to seek licensed professional medical help, and legally their methods are not intended to diagnose or treat any ailments. To not have such disclaimers can potentially but them in a world of serious legal troubles.

I can see that you are not paying very good attention to the discussion. I suggested that people adorn themselves to feel better about themselves, and you have just admitted that is what you do with your hair. I can assure you that if someone came to me and said they have pain in their abdomen, and I told them to go get their appendix taken out, and they do, I would be in no trouble at all unless I had told that person that I am a doctor. It is the misrepresentation of being a doctor that is illegal, not the giving of medical advice.

 

[Aštra’el]

No, you haven't, and you are likely guilty of breaking a number of laws if you claim you have.

It has become undoubtedly obvious that the word "psychologically" does not mean what you think it means.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It has become undoubtedly obvious that the word "psychologically" does not mean what you think it means.

Actually, I know very well what it means. I also know that it is a major violation of ethics, and often times the law, to offer psychological counseling if you do not have at least a Master's in psychology and are licensed to practice. These are not my opinions or thoughts, but statements into how the field operates and how the laws act in regards to it.

I can see that you are not paying very good attention to the discussion. I suggested that people adorn themselves to feel better about themselves, and you have just admitted that is what you do with your hair.

But that isn't an issue of self worth/value, or even being dissatisfied with your appearance in general. To not take care of yourself, to let yourself look like a slobbish bum who can't take care of themselves, that is indicative of a psychological issue.Generally, keeping up a good appearance is indicative of psychological health and well being. Not always, but someone who is well groomed should not be looked upon as someone who inherently feels bad about themselves.

 

[Sonofason]

Actually, I know very well what it means. I also know that it is a major violation of ethics, and often times the law, to offer psychological counseling if you do not have at least a Master's in psychology and are licensed to practice. These are not my opinions or thoughts, but statements into how the field operates and how the laws act in regards to it.

I'm sorry, I have been very clear. You can give medical advice without being a doctor or nurse so long as you do not try to pass yourself as a doctor. For example, I will give you some right now. If you think you're catching a cold, take plenty of vitamin C. Mind you, I am not a doctor, but that is often what some doctors and nutritionists prescribe.

There, I have given you some medical advice...now try and sue me.

But that isn't an issue of self worth/value, or even being dissatisfied with your appearance in general. To not take care of yourself, to let yourself look like a slobbish bum who can't take care of themselves, that is indicative of a psychological issue.Generally, keeping up a good appearance is indicative of psychological health and well being. Not always, but someone who is well groomed should not be looked upon as someone who inherently feels bad about themselves.

I dont really think that not combing your hair is a good example of not taking care of yourself. It is an extremely trivial matter, nothing like not eating, or not sleeping, or not working for a living, or not paying the rent, or not paying your utility bills, or not wearing shoes on sharp rocks, or not wearing protection from the cold. It is a matter of pride, and vanity...and not much more than that.

 

[sovietchild]

Actually, I know very well what it means. I also know that it is a major violation of ethics, and often times the law, to offer psychological counseling if you do not have at least a Master's in psychology and are licensed to practice. These are not my opinions or thoughts, but statements into how the field operates and how the laws act in regards to it.

But that isn't an issue of self worth/value, or even being dissatisfied with your appearance in general. To not take care of yourself, to let yourself look like a slobbish bum who can't take care of themselves, that is indicative of a psychological issue.Generally, keeping up a good appearance is indicative of psychological health and well being. Not always, but someone who is well groomed should not be looked upon as someone who inherently feels bad about themselves.

As long you know the rules, you can play the ball. Don't you agree?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

As long you know the rules, you can play the ball. Don't you agree?

It's not playing ball. With psychology and psychiatry, you must have a degree and be certified to practice. If you lack both of these, you legally and ethically cannot practice. It's the same way with medicine, law, and many other professional fields. If you don't have "the papers," you don't have a legal or credible practice.

 

[sovietchild]

It's not playing ball. With psychology and psychiatry, you must have a degree and be certified to practice. If you lack both of these, you legally and ethically cannot practice. It's the same way with medicine, law, and many other professional fields. If you don't have "the papers," you don't have a legal or credible practice.

Define professional.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm sorry, I have been very clear. You can give medical advice without being a doctor or nurse so long as you do not try to pass yourself as a doctor. For example, I will give you some right now. If you think you're catching a cold, take plenty of vitamin C. Mind you, I am not a doctor, but that is often what some doctors and nutritionists prescribe.

There, I have given you some medical advice...now try and sue me.

If I take your advice and it turns out I have a vitamin C allergy, I would be able to sue you. Not the best example, but it's still an example of why it is unethical and illegal for those without the background to give such advice. It's why it's irresponsible and reckless to do so. You may have good intentions, but without having the knowledge and resources that professionals have access to you can't diagnose as well (very often not at all) or properly, you don't know all the signs to watch for, and you don't have the advantage of having a patient's/client's background and history. And if you do mess up and give bad advice, you can easily and quickly find yourself buried underneath a mountain of litigation.

I dont really think that not combing your hair is a good example of not taking care of yourself.

Have you ever seen someone who doesn't take time to care for their hair and tend to its appearance? Yes, it's not the "biggest" example, however if you are failing to perform such basic hygiene tasks it is often a sign of social withdrawal and/or ineptitude rather than in indication that someone has a self-image/esteem issue.
Now, with body modifications, obviously they aren't basic hygiene, but getting them, much like hair care, does not indicate problems of self worth on its own. The hair care can indicate a problem if you spend an hour or so on it all the time making sure it is "perfect," just as something like a piercing or tattoo can if someone has false beliefs about them, such as thinking that getting one will make them "cool" or bring any radical or significant changes in their lives.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Define professional.

I do think my description of having a degree and license is adequate.

 

[sovietchild]

I do think my description of having a degree and license is adequate.

All those mods on this forum are amateurs because they don't make money doing it. Am I correct? Or do they make money doing it?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All those mods on this forum are amateurs because they don't make money doing it. Am I correct? Or do they make money doing it?

That's basically correct.

 

[Sonofason]

If I take your advice and it turns out I have a vitamin C allergy, I would be able to sue you. Not the best example, but it's still an example of why it is unethical and illegal for those without the background to give such advice. It's why it's irresponsible and reckless to do so. You may have good intentions, but without having the knowledge and resources that professionals have access to you can't diagnose as well (very often not at all) or properly, you don't know all the signs to watch for, and you don't have the advantage of having a patient's/client's background and history. And if you do mess up and give bad advice, you can easily and quickly find yourself buried underneath a mountain of litigation.

Have you ever seen someone who doesn't take time to care for their hair and tend to its appearance? Yes, it's not the "biggest" example, however if you are failing to perform such basic hygiene tasks it is often a sign of social withdrawal and/or ineptitude rather than in indication that someone has a self-image/esteem issue.
Now, with body modifications, obviously they aren't basic hygiene, but getting them, much like hair care, does not indicate problems of self worth on its own. The hair care can indicate a problem if you spend an hour or so on it all the time making sure it is "perfect," just as something like a piercing or tattoo can if someone has false beliefs about them, such as thinking that getting one will make them "cool" or bring any radical or significant changes in their lives.

So you're saying that if I get out of the shower and fail to brush my hair that I have a problem with hygiene? That is absolutely ridiculous.

Hygiene is conditions or practices conducive to maintaining health and preventing disease, especially through cleanliness. What in the world does not brushing your hair have to do with health and disease and cleanliness? It's vanity, and that is all that it is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you're saying that if I get out of the shower and fail to brush my hair that I have a problem with hygiene? That is absolutely ridiculous.

I didn't say that. I actually wouldn't even suggest that because brushing your hair while it's wet isn't good for it. What I did say is you aren't brushing/combing your hair, you are neglecting to groom yourself, and that may be an indication of problems such as social withdrawal and/or social ineptitude. Not necessarily, but generally grooming is such a normal part of life that plenty of other animals even do it.

Hygiene is conditions or practices conducive to maintaining health and preventing disease, especially through cleanliness. What in the world does not brushing your hair have to do with health and disease and cleanliness? It's vanity, and that is all that it is.

It's this thing they call "grooming." If you want greasy, matted, ratty hair, go right ahead. But it does looks dirty, unclean, and messy.

 

[Sonofason]

I didn't say that. I actually wouldn't even suggest that because brushing your hair while it's wet isn't good for it. What I did say is you aren't brushing/combing your hair, you are neglecting to groom yourself, and that may be an indication of problems such as social withdrawal and/or social ineptitude. Not necessarily, but generally grooming is such a normal part of life that plenty of other animals even do it.

It's this thing they call "grooming." If you want greasy, matted, ratty hair, go right ahead. But it does looks dirty, unclean, and messy.

Your the one who said you put oil in your hair before brushing it lol....
Oh well...I'm moving on.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Your the one who said you put oil in your hair before brushing it lol....
Oh well...I'm moving on.

Yeah. That's not uncommon. There are numerous different oils, such as coconut oil which is fairly popular for detangling, styling, and deep conditioning.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I can see that you are not paying very good attention to the discussion. I suggested that people adorn themselves to feel better about themselves, and you have just admitted that is what you do with your hair. I can assure you that if someone came to me and said they have pain in their abdomen, and I told them to go get their appendix taken out, and they do, I would be in no trouble at all unless I had told that person that I am a doctor. It is the misrepresentation of being a doctor that is illegal, not the giving of medical advice.

And if they take your advice to have their appendix removed, but then it turns out the pain in their abdomen was actually caused by indigestion ... ?

 

[Sonofason]

And if they take your advice to have their appendix removed, but then it turns out the pain in their abdomen was actually caused by indigestion ... ?

Who are they gonna get to have their appendix removed? If a surgeon removes someone's appendix because I told someone that I thought they needed their appendix removed, then shame on the doctor that removes the appendix.

 

[Sonofason]

Actually, I know very well what it means. I also know that it is a major violation of ethics, and often times the law, to offer psychological counseling if you do not have at least a Master's in psychology and are licensed to practice. These are not my opinions or thoughts, but statements into how the field operates and how the laws act in regards to it.

But that isn't an issue of self worth/value, or even being dissatisfied with your appearance in general. To not take care of yourself, to let yourself look like a slobbish bum who can't take care of themselves, that is indicative of a psychological issue.Generally, keeping up a good appearance is indicative of psychological health and well being. Not always, but someone who is well groomed should not be looked upon as someone who inherently feels bad about themselves.

So poor people who can't afford nice clothes, or frugal people who don't like to waste money on new clothes have psychological issues? Are you a doctor? Do you have the right to give such advice regarding someone's psychological health?