What is your belief about homosexuality?

[nazz]

I hear ya.. Im a Christian though and I try to adhere to the laws of God.Both anal and oral are not condoned.The holy scriptures says sodomy is wrong.Whether it be with a male or a female.It is still the same.

Sodomy: sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.

Ps.Everyone has the choice of doing what they please.Free will.I am just expressing my thoughts according to what I believe.That's all.

Where does the Bible speak of any of these things? The word "sodomy" is not even in the bible.

 

[Nada]

Where does the Bible speak of any of these things? The word "sodomy" is not even in the bible.

The bible does not say free will either but you can gather from the information that this is what it speaks of right when it says you have the choice to do what you want? Same with sodomy.Have you never read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah?
Judges 19:22
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22) This does not speak of lying down next to someone.This is implying sexual intercourse.

Romans 1:26
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.



1 Cornithians 6:9,10. Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,

 

[gsa]

The Animal Homosexuality Myth
by Luiz Sérgio Solimeo

Another thing people...... I do not hate gay people.I just do not condone or agree with the practice of homosexuality.I will leave it at that.

The issue is not one of theological or moral judgment. The question is, is homosexuality natural? The only actual answer is yes. You can believe otherwise, the church can believe otherwise, Paul can believe otherwise, etc. The only question is what can be observed from reality? And reality has an answer to that question.

Also the scriptures is, far as I know, silent on all forms of heterosexual "sodomy."

 

[Nada]

Where does the Bible speak of any of these things? The word "sodomy" is not even in the bible.

It actually does say Sodomites in the Emphatic Diaglott from 1864.It is a translation of the original language the NT was written in.Koine Greek.

The emphatic diaglott: containing the original Greek text of what is commonly styled the New Testament (according to the recension of J.J. Griesbach) with an interlineary word for word English translation; a new emphatic version, based on the interlineary translation, on the renderings of eminent critics, and on the various readings of the Vatican manuscript no. 1209 in the Vatican Library; together with illustrative and explanatory foot notes, and a copious selection of references; to the whole of which is added a valuable alphabetical appendix

Read 1 Corinthians 6:9,10. It says Sodomites. Just click anywhere on the paragraph that is underlined.It will take you to the part I speak of in the Diaglott.

 

[nazz]

The bible does not say free will either but you can gather from the information that this is what it speaks of right when it says you have the choice to do what you want? Same with sodomy.Have you never read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah?
Judges 19:22
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22) This does not speak of lying down next to someone.This is implying sexual intercourse.

Romans 1:26
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.



1 Cornithians 6:9,10. Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,

How about answering my questions? Where does the bible use the word "sodomy". Where does it define it? Where does it say that oral sex and anal sex practiced in a heterosexual marriage are forbidden?

 

[Nada]

How about answering my questions? Where does the bible use the word "sodomy". Where does it define it? Where does it say that oral sex and anal sex practiced in a heterosexual marriage are forbidden?

I already answered that.Read it above.

 

[nazz]

It actually does say Sodomites in the Emphatic Diaglott from 1864.It is a translation of the original language the NT was written in.Koine Greek.

The emphatic diaglott: containing the original Greek text of what is commonly styled the New Testament (according to the recension of J.J. Griesbach) with an interlineary word for word English translation; a new emphatic version, based on the interlineary translation, on the renderings of eminent critics, and on the various readings of the Vatican manuscript no. 1209 in the Vatican Library; together with illustrative and explanatory foot notes, and a copious selection of references; to the whole of which is added a valuable alphabetical appendix

Read 1 Corinthians 6:9,10. It says Sodomites. Just click anywhere on the paragraph that is underlined.It will take you to the part I speak of in the Diaglott.

Sodomy and sodomite are English words found nowhere in the original Greek text. That some obscure translation may use those words is irrelevant.

 

[Nada]

Sodomy and sodomite are English words found nowhere in the original Greek text. That some obscure translation may use those words is irrelevant.

Ok........

 

[nazz]

I already answered that.Read it above.

And I replied to that part. You have yet to answer the other questions.

 

[nazz]

Ok........

Do you have a habit of rolling your eyes when confronted with facts?

 

[ChristineES]

The question should be: Is sex natural. It is but yet people put all sorts of conditions on it: 1. Some say sex is only natural for copulations, 2. Some sex is only natural within marriage, 3. some say it is only natural for those in love. 4. Some say it is only natural if it is "missionary" style. 5. Some say it is only natural with one partner and within a relationship. 6. Some say it is only natural between the opposite sex. 7. and so on and so forth.

So many opinions and a major reason I choose not to truly discuss sex or any form.

 

[gsa]

The bible does not say free will either but you can gather from the information that this is what it speaks of right when it says you have the choice to do what you want? Same with sodomy.Have you never read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah?
Judges 19:22
22 While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22) This does not speak of lying down next to someone.This is implying sexual intercourse.

Romans 1:26
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.



1 Cornithians 6:9,10. Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality,

Quoting Judges is always dicey. Do you really want to go there? Many people hold up that story as a pure example of the immorality of the scriptures. You infer that God disapproves of sex with the Levite, but not gang rape of a concubine, offering virgin daughters up to a bloodthirsty mob, chopping up bodies and sending body parts out as a message?

Problems with your other translations and readings as well, but the primary point is that, if it is described as unnatural, it is empirically wrong. Paul may have been a stellar early Christian, but he was far from being a natural scientist.

 

[Nada]

Quoting Judges is always dicey. Do you really want to go there? Many people hold up that story as a pure example of the immorality of the scriptures. You infer that God disapproves of sex with the Levite, but not gang rape of a concubine, offering virgin daughters up to a bloodthirsty mob, chopping up bodies and sending body parts out as a message?

Problems with your other translations and readings as well, but the primary point is that, if it is described as unnatural, it is empirically wrong. Paul may have been a stellar early Christian, but he was far from being a natural scientist.

God was not going to allow that to happen.Lot was just doing what he felt he needed to do and say to protect God's angels.God was already one step ahead.Lot was just showing his loyalty.It did not happen.The angels ended up blinding all those men.

 

[Nada]

ἀρσενοκοῖται

Strong's Concordance
arsenokoites: a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity
Original Word: ἀρσενοκοίτης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: arsenokoites
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace)
Short Definition: a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity
Definition: a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity; a sodomite, pederast.
HELPS Word-studies
733 arsenokoítēs (from 730 /árrhēn, "a male" and 2845 /koítē, "a mat, bed") – properly, a man in bed with another man; a homosexual.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 733: ἀρσενοκοίτης

ἀρσενοκοίτης, ἀρσενοκοιτου, ὁ (ἄρσην a male; κοίτη a bed), one who lies with a male as with a female, a sodomite: 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10. (Anthol. 9, 686, 5; ecclesiastical writings.)


Strong's Greek: 733. ἀρσενοκοίτης (arsenokoites) -- a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity


Greek New Testament: 1 Corinthians: 1 Corinthians Chapter 6


The emphatic diaglott: containing the original Greek text of what is commonly styled the New Testament (according to the recension of J.J. Griesbach) with an interlineary word for word English translation; a new emphatic version, based on the interlineary translation, on the renderings of eminent critics, and on the various readings of the Vatican manuscript no. 1209 in the Vatican Library; together with illustrative and explanatory foot notes, and a copious selection of references; to the whole of which is added a valuable alphabetical appendix

 

[nazz]

ἀρσενοκοῖται

Strong's Concordance
arsenokoites: a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity
Original Word: ἀρσενοκοίτης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: arsenokoites
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace)
Short Definition: a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity
Definition: a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity; a sodomite, pederast.
HELPS Word-studies
733 arsenokoítēs (from 730 /árrhēn, "a male" and 2845 /koítē, "a mat, bed") – properly, a man in bed with another man; a homosexual.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 733: ἀρσενοκοίτης

ἀρσενοκοίτης, ἀρσενοκοιτου, ὁ (ἄρσην a male; κοίτη a bed), one who lies with a male as with a female, a sodomite: 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10. (Anthol. 9, 686, 5; ecclesiastical writings.)


Strong's Greek: 733. ἀρσενοκοίτης (arsenokoites) -- a male engaging in same-gender sexual activity


Greek New Testament: 1 Corinthians: 1 Corinthians Chapter 6


The emphatic diaglott: containing the original Greek text of what is commonly styled the New Testament (according to the recension of J.J. Griesbach) with an interlineary word for word English translation; a new emphatic version, based on the interlineary translation, on the renderings of eminent critics, and on the various readings of the Vatican manuscript no. 1209 in the Vatican Library; together with illustrative and explanatory foot notes, and a copious selection of references; to the whole of which is added a valuable alphabetical appendix

Yeah, so? This does not contradict anything I said. BTW, Paul invented that word. It's not attested in any other Greek literature. Now how about answering my other questions?

 

[Nada]

I really don't like where this is going.You tell me,"Yeah so?" I'm not liking your attitude right now.You are being Nazzty.I would rather not continue this discussion with you.I carry on conversations with many others about this same thing and they do not talk like you.They speak their mind courteously.I will not be speaking to you about this anymore.Good day.

 

[nazz]

I really don't like where this is going.You tell me,"Yeah so?" I'm not liking your attitude right now.You are being Nazzty.I would rather not continue this discussion with you.I carry on conversations with many others about this same thing and they do not talk like you.They speak their mind courteously.I will not be speaking to you about this anymore.Good day.

And I don't like people claiming the bible says something it clearly doesn't then refusing to back up their claims.

 

[Nada]

And I don't like people claiming the bible says something it clearly doesn't then refusing to back up their claims.

I told you I did not like it when people act and speak as you do.I told you I did not wish to speak about this anymore with you because of your attitude.Now I have to let you go permanently.Congratulations! You made the list.You are now on my ignore list.Hard time,no parole.

 

[gsa]

I really don't like where this is going.You tell me,"Yeah so?" I'm not liking your attitude right now.You are being Nazzty.I would rather not continue this discussion with you.I carry on conversations with many others about this same thing and they do not talk like you.They speak their mind courteously.I will not be speaking to you about this anymore.Good day.

The point is that the word demonstrates nothing. Paul did not use the known Greek words used to describe men who have sex with men, much less anal intercourse. Conservatives try to get around this by arguing that he coined the word from the Septuagint, but there are a host of problems with that theory (including that no one would know what he was talking about). Either way, it is not properly translated sodomy.

 

[ChristineES]

Yeah, so? This does not contradict anything I said. BTW, Paul invented that word. It's not attested in any other Greek literature. Now how about answering my other questions?

That's true. I only heard Paul use the word "homosexuality" and we don't know which context he meant it or at least I don't. I know it seems to fellow Christians that I am being apathetic, but I see it as choosing one perceived sin overriding all other sins. I use the word "sin" generally, otherwise I feel as though I might be unfairly judging or condemning someone. I mean, people ignore what Jesus said about married men just looking at other women all the time: He'd said that was committing adultery in his heart (a married woman would probably be the same). I see men in Church buildings looking laviciously at certain women on occasion and it bothers me (men don't look at me, personally, though).