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We're called Jews. If you want to specify Jews that practice Judaism, you can say "observant Jews" or "religious Jews."
Do you think that the Quran, written 600 years after Jesus, is a reliable source of anything about Jesus?
Bart Ehrman....Added to the above are a number of verses that all say the same thing ,,, like this verse:
(Heb.10:37) For yet in a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay.
A very little while is NOT 2000 rounded years. This connects with the above idea of some people "not tasting death" until the return happens. It was supposed to have happened BACK THEN.
No matter what you think - it failed.
After I had finished putting the above picture together, I tripped over the work of biblical scholar Dr Bart Ehrman, who said the exact same thing in his book Jesus, apocalyptic prophet:
"Jesus thought that the history of the world would come to a screeching
halt, that God would intervene in the affairs of this planet, overthrow the
forces of evil in a cosmic act of judgment and establish his utopian
Kingdom on Earth. And this was to happen within Jesus' own generation."
Jesus apocalyptic prophet. Dr. Bart Ehrman
From the time this story started to circulate, all the way to today, it's been waited for and in some cases said that it was coming. You can look through this list and ponder it yourself.
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
My approach to this subject has only to do with the fact that Jesus was supposed to have "returned" somewhere in the lives of the people (going by the dating of the book of Revelation) some 1900 years ago. Dr Ehrman ripped the entire subject apart - my approach was via what I call the KEY. All of the verses that I have point in the exact same direction ... the conversations written were directed to the people back then. When people today read it, they think THEY are being talked to.
I believe there ae three possibilities. 1. The brain connection to the spirit is damaged -lobotomy does that. 2. The spirit chooses not to bring memories to mind 3. The mind somehow blocks the spirit or ignores it.
I believe this is only half true. God created the male half of the conception of Jesus and instilled His own Spirit and of course God's Spirit is not created.
I believe God says otherwise and since you don't hear from God you lack evidence. So what are you saying that our sacred text is a lie and that of Moses is true simply because you like it that way? If you could recognize the voice of God you would recognize it in Jesus.
You are confusing....Please define what you mean by spirit and what by mind.
You say this because you are in inerrantist who believes the God somehow dictated the Bible to his secretaries. It brings us back to my first point, that the ONLY reason you think Jesus is God is your blind faith in the Bible, (and while it may not be conscious, Protestants have certainly been influenced by the Ecumenical Councils).
I believe he existed. I don’t believe in him as Christians do, that he is God or the son of God. I believe he was a great spiritual teacher, perhaps enlightened and liberated while in his body (jivanmukti in Sanskrit).
I see no reason why you should not accept, if you agree he was enlightened, that the state of non-duality awareness was realized, in which case the concept of the 'Father (God) and I are one' awareness would be the reality experienced. The 'Father and I are one' concept is not a dualistic state whereby Jesus is claiming to be God, but the state of non-duality. This non-duality state by the way is realizable by all Christian aspirants as Jesus told his disciples that they too would eventually be able to do all the he could do.
I'm a Vishishtadvaitin Hindu, a non-dual philosophy. Jesus saying the Father and I are one is no different than me saying aham brahmāsmi ... "I am Brahman". But that doesn't make me "god", because Brahman is not "God". Jesus can say "the Father and I are one", 'aham brahmāsmi" or any of the advaitin mahāvakyas (great sayings of the Upanishads) but that doesn't mean he is God. We have hundreds of saints, jivanmukti, "enlightened" beings in Hinduism, but they're not God. So no, I don't accept Jesus being God. He's on a par with Paramahansa Rāmakrishna, Paramahansa Yogananda, Lahiri Mahasaya and other saints.
Ok, I sincerely interpret Jesus saying "Father and I are one' as meaning it in the non-dual sense, not anywhere in Christian scripture does Jesus say or imply that he is God, as in "I am the Father' in the dualistic sense. However, it is true that many early Christian church clergy did interpret it in the dualistic sense, probably due to never having had exposure to, and thus not understanding the concept of non-duality. And unfortunately, this error has persisted until now, but there are many Christians around now who understand it in the non-dualistic way.
Actually, I think according to the scriptures, everyone sins, falls short of God’s glory and perfection, and is already condemned. Everyone is on their way to eternal separation from God, the Source of life.
Ok, so if Jesus failed to fulfil his mission completely at that time, it is not impossible that he may return again at an appropriate time, a second coming if you like, to fulfil it completely. The Book of Revelation may be the prophecy of the second coming and planetary judgement?
Look, the ONLY way we have to identify whether someone is the Messiah is if they fulfill the prophecies, if they actually DO all the things the messiah is to do. Once you start saying, "Oh Jesus will return again and fulfill the rest. He is the messiah" you open yourself to ANYONE saying "I am the messiah. I'll do the rest when I come back." Heck, even *I* could claim to be the messiah using that flawed logic.