What is your opinion on the pope’s declaration on Islam?

[Jayhawker Soule]

fact 1: my answer to Emiliano's question is my first reply.
fact 2: my later reponde is just 'another' example.
fact 3: there is no "situation".
fact 4: the reason why i think whatever i think about Pope IS;

fact 5: you distort in the name of Islam; Peace be unto you ...

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

I don't see what people are getting so worked up about, has the Pope done something wrong in expressing his intentions for peace?

As to his sincerity, one might have a better insight into this question if they were to read some of his works as a theologian. He is not an extremist. He is certainly interested in inter-cultural dialogue and discussion between religions. To survey some of his opinions you could read, for example, Truth and Tolerance.

 

[kai]

I don't see what people are getting so worked up about, has the Pope done something wrong in expressing his intentions for peace?
Peace? where to?
As to his sincerity, one might have a better insight into this question if they were to read some of his works as a theologian. He is not an extremist. He is certainly interested in inter-cultural dialogue and discussion between religions. To survey some of his opinions you could read, for example, Truth and Tolerance.

Tell me what is your opinion of a religion that denies the Crucifixion? and preaches that salvation is not through Jesus Christ?

 

[Smoke]

Pope Benedict XVI has warned against the misuse of religion for political ends, in a speech to Muslim leaders on the second day of his visit to Jordan. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/8041421.stm

What's he talking about? Islam's a political ideology. It's a misuse from the get-go.

And the Pope, who is a head of state and is up to his eyeballs in the politics of other countries, is hardly the person to criticize.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I hope he means it... But i doubt it. Deep down he probably feels no respect.

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

Tell me what is your opinion of a religion that denies the Crucifixion? and preaches that salvation is not through Jesus Christ?

Kai, you can find my opinion on Islam here: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1403735-post4.html

 

[.lava]

Tell me what is your opinion of a religion that denies the Crucifixion? and preaches that salvation is not through Jesus Christ?

hi Kai, everybody knows Islam and Christianity have differencies. but both can live in peace. we do not need to accept other beliefs, there could be peace. i personally do not believe Pope's intention is sincere. Muslims are oppressed in Christian nations but the same nations want freedom to send their missionaries into our nations. as they ask for more rights in Islamic nations, they are using this "dialogue" to reach their goals. goal of this so-called dialogue is not "peace" or better to say when Islamic nations become Christian enough then there would be peace. so this peace talk is conditional. i dislike religious figure that has agenda. i still want to believe what optimist Christian friends here think about it though. i really wish he was trying to help peace of this world. unfortunately most of the religious leaders today are not religious enough to fear God. we would be all better off without them. you know i do not mean just Pope. same goes with Scholars of Islam who spread fear, anger and hatred.

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[smitten508]

Talk's cheap. If a Muslim leader came into your church, sat down on the altar and started talking about peace, would you think it was wonderful?

I would think it was wonderful if he came to talk of peace... The pope didn't sit on anyones altar, he didn't take off his shoes! And if a Muslim came into a Cathedral and sat on a knee rest we use when we kneel to the east, then I really wouldn't be insulted... :sorry1:

 

[smitten508]

dear, i can not understand what you're talking about. would you please explain what you're saying?

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Which part/parts do you not understand? I am probably replying to more than 1 single post

 

[Alla Prima]

And the Pope, who is a head of state and is up to his eyeballs in the politics of other countries, is hardly the person to criticize.

Amen to that! Ouch!

 

[Alla Prima]

hi Kai, everybody knows Islam and Christianity have differencies. but both can live in peace.

You mean like the peace for Christians in Saudi Arabia?

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

i personally do not believe Pope's intention is sincere. Muslims are oppressed in Christian nations but the same nations want freedom to send their missionaries into our nations. as they ask for more rights in Islamic nations, they are using this "dialogue" to reach their goals. goal of this so-called dialogue is not "peace" or better to say when Islamic nations become Christian enough then there would be peace. so this peace talk is conditional

Lava, in what "Christian nations" are Muslims being oppressed currently? Are you aware of how many Christians are treated as second-class citizens under Islamic law, as in Egypt, or the destruction of Assyrian Christianity in Iraq, including the kidnapping and murdering of a bishop?

 

[.lava]

Which part/parts do you not understand? I am probably replying to more than 1 single post

my English sort of failed reading your post. i did not understand if you believe Pope is sincere or not.

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[.lava]

Lava, in what "Christian nations" are Muslims being oppressed currently? Are you aware of how many Christians are treated as second-class citizens under Islamic law, as in Egypt, or the destruction of Assyrian Christianity in Iraq, including the kidnapping and murdering of a bishop?

i am aware of a few things. what's your point?

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[kai]

Kai, you can find my opinion on Islam here: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1403735-post4.html

OK i read that. I still think all western leaders including the Pope walk on eggshells bending over back wards not to upset "moderate" Muslims and here is the head of a church who's beliefs are diametrically opposed to Islam doing the same.

 

[kai]

hi Kai, everybody knows Islam and Christianity have differencies. but both can live in peace. we do not need to accept other beliefs, there could be peace. i personally do not believe Pope's intention is sincere. Muslims are oppressed in Christian nations but the same nations want freedom to send their missionaries into our nations. as they ask for more rights in Islamic nations, they are using this "dialogue" to reach their goals. goal of this so-called dialogue is not "peace" or better to say when Islamic nations become Christian enough then there would be peace. so this peace talk is conditional. i dislike religious figure that has agenda. i still want to believe what optimist Christian friends here think about it though. i really wish he was trying to help peace of this world. unfortunately most of the religious leaders today are not religious enough to fear God. we would be all better off without them. you know i do not mean just Pope. same goes with Scholars of Islam who spread fear, anger and hatred.

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Lava except for maybe the Vatican there are no Christian Nations and thats debatable.

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

Lava,

You seem to be under the impression that there is a problem of Christians persecuting Muslims and that the Pope is somehow, if marginally, involved- and certainly insincere when he speaks regarding Islam. It seems like you have in mind a bigger picture happening here.

My point is that in Islamic countries there is a problem of persecution of Christians- I think arguably more so than of Muslims in the West. I think the Pope has good reasons, well aside from missionary reasons (which certainly both Muslims and Christians nurture), to speak of a need for peace and mutual understanding.

 

[kai]

Lava tell me is the Pope Kafir, can his religion and his place in it ever be reconciled to Islam? The pope is the head the leader of Roman Catholicism whos ideology is heretical to Islam isnt it? and the most important question of all is can it be considered by Muslims on an equal basis?

 

[.lava]

Lava,

You seem to be under the impression that there is a problem of Christians persecuting Muslims and that the Pope is somehow, if marginally, involved- and certainly insincere when he speaks regarding Islam. It seems like you have in mind a bigger picture happening here.

My point is that in Islamic countries there is a problem of persecution of Christians- I think arguably more so than of Muslims in the West. I think the Pope has good reasons, well aside from missionary reasons (which certainly both Muslims and Christians nurture), to speak of a need for peace and mutual understanding.

yes, in Islamic nations there are problems and not just Christians, Muslims are suffering too. this is another issue. and yes, i want it change for better too.

but Pope, the speech he made a few years ago shows that he believes Islam is evil and inhumane. that is the message he gave to Christians who listened to him. he did not make that speech in an Islamic land, well, he could not, could he? in Islamic land he would say things like this as in original post. this is what i am saying about him.

on the other hand, missionaries are not religious enough for me at least. in Turkey there've been many stuff in last 5-6 years. ordinary houses were used as church, hidden from government. is this normal? teenagers were offered money in case they convert to Christianity. even i was offered once. this kind of stuff is not nice. so called missionaries are abusing poverty of people. and sometimes some Mulims react this strategy badly. but this is not about Pope. but you should know what missionaries do in here and why they are not welcomed.

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[Jordan St. Francis]

Are you aware that the controversial statements the Pope made at Regensburg regarding Islam were not assertions that he himself was making? He was a citing a discussion from a medieval dialogue as a platform to proceed to the question of faith and reason. Islam was not at all the subject of the discussion and he did not himself endorse the statements of the historical figure reportedly to have said "Islam has brought only violence and the sword".

Full Text of the Pope's Speech The Mistinerpretation of Which Has Sparked Muslim Violence

Though if it is true that this speech sparked violence, that would not be without irony.