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What is your opinion on the pope’s declaration on Islam?

Jordan St. Francis

Well-Known Member
Smoke,

No one is saying it "really matters". I am saying the Pope's decision to wear more traditional papal garb is indicative of his desire to bring in both the old and the new together. Its basically a small, but not notable, theological gesture that many Catholics appreciate.
 

Alla Prima

Well-Known Member
I get the impression that too many Muslims look for offense and actually welcome it. I get the impression Muslims enjoy offense because it's exciting for them. Gives them reason to fight.
 

.lava

Veteran Member
Well, it was mentioned by myself and Jay prior to Kai telling you that the Muslim HOSTS did not take off their shoes.... so..... it does make all of this pretty darn silly. A question for you to ponder. Why are Muslims, yourself included, so eager to take offense any chance they get?

yea maybe it was silly, so what? if it was not for Kai, i would not know about it. God knows everything happens for a reason. i am thankful he offered me kindness and he did not make this discussion turn into some cheap personal attack, even tough i misjudged him :eek: so yea, to love is a special thing. it opens your eyes. i owe him for letting me know about something i'd really want to know.

you think i am offended? why should i be offended by someone elses doing? i could be, only if that "doing" caused physical harm to me or someone around me. i just say what i think. matter of fact what i think about Pope has not changed.

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kai

ragamuffin
what happens here is the media or people with vested interests in spreading ill feeling ,latch on to this seemingly small thing and spread it all over the muslim world and make it into an insult. The same with his speech.
 
You're missing the point -- which is, of course, that the Pope's behavior was offensive. So you should imagine not how you'd feel if our imaginary Muslim leader did something inoffensive, but how you'd feel if he did something offensive, something you considered deeply disrespectful toward both your faith and its members.

The point is that the Pope was escorted by people that didn't take off their shoes and were VERY informed of formaility. He was prepared to take his shoes off but wasn't asked to. So if the imaginary leader of Islam were to come to the Vatican and his Vatican escort led him to do something I may see as disrespectful then I would place blame where blame was due. On the escort, not a religious figurehead. It seems to me that its just another anti-papal mess. Just like what happens everytime. Christ said that Christians would be hated. Its true, especially among the Holy Fathers of the Church.
 

AbuKhalid

Active Member
I don't see this as an issue at all. I am sure that the Pope would have removed his shoes had he been asked to and it is clear he wasn't. If someone from another religion comes to our holy places then it is up to us to show them the correct way to act, if we don't we can't complain otherwise. Also the Prophet would pray in his shoes.

In honesty I blame the media. Surely the pick up the most ridiculous issues and push them.
 

kai

ragamuffin
I don't see this as an issue at all. I am sure that the Pope would have removed his shoes had he been asked to and it is clear he wasn't. If someone from another religion comes to our holy places then it is up to us to show them the correct way to act, if we don't we can't complain otherwise. Also the Prophet would pray in his shoes.

In honesty I blame the media. Surely the pick up the most ridiculous issues and push them.


well said
 

.lava

Veteran Member
I don't see this as an issue at all. I am sure that the Pope would have removed his shoes had he been asked to and it is clear he wasn't. If someone from another religion comes to our holy places then it is up to us to show them the correct way to act, if we don't we can't complain otherwise. Also the Prophet would pray in his shoes.

In honesty I blame the media. Surely the pick up the most ridiculous issues and push them.

yes, that's the only option left behind and it makes sense to me. media wants us to fight. what a shame!

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Scott1

Well-Known Member
What is your opinion on the pope’s declaration on Islam?
I wouldn't call it a "declaration", but I think I know what you mean.... and I thought it was very consistent with what the Church teaches.

From Thursday's homily in Nazareth:
"Sadly, as the world knows, Nazareth has experienced tensions in recent years which have harmed relations between its Christian and Muslim communities. I urge people of good will in both communities to repair the damage that has been done, and in fidelity to our common belief in one God, the Father of the human family, to work to build bridges and find the way to a peaceful coexistence. Let everyone reject the destructive power of hatred and prejudice, which kills men’s souls before it kills their bodies!"

Sounds good to me!


 

.lava

Veteran Member
I wouldn't call it a "declaration", but I think I know what you mean.... and I thought it was very consistent with what the Church teaches.

From Thursday's homily in Nazareth:
"Sadly, as the world knows, Nazareth has experienced tensions in recent years which have harmed relations between its Christian and Muslim communities. I urge people of good will in both communities to repair the damage that has been done, and in fidelity to our common belief in one God, the Father of the human family, to work to build bridges and find the way to a peaceful coexistence. Let everyone reject the destructive power of hatred and prejudice, which kills men’s souls before it kills their bodies!"

Sounds good to me!

i love what i read. is this from Pope's speech or somewhere else?

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emiliano

Well-Known Member
do you have a proof for Pope being servant of God? i am not asking this question like some others do, i am not trying to leave you helpless or anything. i really like to know. did you ever ask your God for proof?

Yes I have asked of God and he is a servant, leaving me helpless? What make you say that? Your question: did you ever ask your God for proof? Yes a have and got it.

i think according to you we have nothing to do with God huh?
No with the God that I would preach to you, you don’t.

who said i was afraid? for God's sake. once upon a time i was somewhere else in Europe and sharing a house with nearly 12 students. i was the only Muslim there. when missionaries came along, every single non-Muslim mock them, they openly laughed at them and i, just as a human being, was ashamed. i was the only person who treated them normal, friendly. i showed them respect, invited them inside, made them tea...etc. they came again. i spent hours with them. those students were from all over the Europe, all Christians. me, the only one who's not Christian was also the only one who show respect. seems like your very own people did not hear the "word" yet. at the end what i heard was simple; come join us, we get you visa, we provide you a place to stay, a job...yea i hear your word. my faith is not for sell. i do understand and relate with your devotion. i rather hear your "word", i rather you visit our home land and i rather make peace with you. i am ready and here. if you or any other Christian willing to teach me something, be my guest and try to see what i do not know first. cos if you ignore things that i know you'd never know what you could teach me; so you come and apply Muslims did not hear the word.
Very interesting story, but what I was referring to is those countries where preaching Christianity is punishable by imprisonment or death, Islamic states, the 12 student had no such power mocking and rejection do not stop missionaries from preaching, I am talking about going to an Islamic state go to public place, a park, a plaza or something like that, and Bible in hand release the word and do some altar calling, a call to conversion to Christianity. What do you think that it would happen to me? Would you come to may aid? Would you die or rot in prison with me?

i do not take sword literally. you can make my heart bleed with your words, because word is the sword. you can imprison me with your silence because silence is the sword. you can defeat me with your love, because love is the sword.
so tell me, the man who heard the word, can you defeat me?
Neither do I, preaching is not a battle but a call to Christ the Savior, but as you provably know nobody comes to Him unless God draws them to Him.
 
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