What kind of a god would make a place like Hell/Hellfire?

[Unveiled Artist]

Parent not like a Creator , we are not sons of God .

We are like cars to human being .

I just a post the exemple of "robot" ,and that robot being rebellion against the rules of human being , and deny also that human being creat it !!

You was not exist , and you will not exist soon ,God who creat you , He who will make you die , so it's His world and His rules , you had nothing to do for it.

Regardless of his authority and powers, what kind of god would do such a thing as create hell?

Is it just "because he is god" or does it go deeper? Even Quranicly deeper?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Which is why I said, "I can't speak for the eternity part". In Judaism, Hell is not permanent, but a place for refining the impurities of the soul before it moves to "Heaven".

Of course, my mistake for not paying close enough attention.

 

[Tumah]

Of course, my mistake for not paying close enough attention.

I'll let you off this time. Nobody wants you to go back to being A Disgruntled Scotsman.

 

[Windwalker]

Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

A sociopath.

 

[lovesong]

what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

Not a loving one, and certainly not one that deserves worship.

 

[Falvlun]

To punish the wicked dead. Several 'Hell' analogues exist across several mythologies.

What is "wicked" enough to deserve an eternity of torture?

Most people think that Hitler was one of the most evil people.

About 11 million people were killed in the Nazi concentration camps.

We're really pissed off at hitler, so let's make him suffer in hell 1 million years for each person killed. That means he will burn for 11 trillion years.

And that is still just a drop in the bucket compared to eternity. I don't think that even Hitler deserves that.

If Hitler doesn't deserve eternal torture, then who the hell does?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

He whom only make the rules , so if you don't respect him, you don't have the right to looking for his awards

I just imagine that you produce a robot , than that robot be a rebellion against your rules , and plus it's deny that it's structured/built by you !!!
it's you,ONLY you who had right to do it, whatever you want to it .

I'm confused. Are we slaves or robots in your analogy?

 

[George-ananda]

Any thoughts justifying this would be appreciated.

I am not going to justify it but the fact that it can be so horrific is why the ancient human creators of the idea chose fire in their concept of the worst torture possible (hell). I am sure it was never in God's plan and it is sad that this concept of hell is still alive today. I am sure the concept is quickly dying away in modern times.

 

[Maponos]

What is "wicked" enough to deserve an eternity of torture?

Most people think that Hitler was one of the most evil people.

About 11 million people were killed in the Nazi concentration camps.

We're really pissed off at hitler, so let's make him suffer in hell 1 million years for each person killed. That means he will burn for 11 trillion years.

And that is still just a drop in the bucket compared to eternity. I don't think that even Hitler deserves that.

If Hitler doesn't deserve eternal torture, then who the hell does?

I don't if the punishment is for eternity or not, but for many people, the thought of those who committed grave crimes being punished for it is comforting.

 

[Falvlun]

I don't if the punishment is for eternity or not, but for many people, the thought of those who committed grave crimes being punished for it is comforting.

Torture makes me a bit squeamish. Couldn't we just put the bad guys on the clean up crew in heaven, or something? They can scrub my toilet and pick up the roadside trash while I'm sunning myself in those heavenly rays.

(But seriously, we don't torture convicted murderers. So why should it be all right to do such in the afterlife?)

 

[Quintessence]

You can imagine that? Literally?

Of course I can imagine it (though I don't know what you mean by "literally" and I don't really need to imagine anything, really). Expecting all the gods to have human-like empathy or consideration strikes me as more than a little bit absurd. That, and considering all things are gods to me, the very Spirit of Sadism is a god who by definition would delight in eternally torturing humans and other small animals.

 

[Scuba Pete]

What kind? One envisioned by man.

It's interesting to note that there was no "Fire and Brimstone" version of hell in the OT. They only spoke of Sheol, aka the pit.

The whole idea of burning in hell is an NT invention. Was it an exertion of power via scare tactics? That would be my guess. God is all about love. Love and burning in hell are mutually exclusive in my eyes.

 

[Aquitaine]

The other day I burned my finger (only slightly, nothing serious) and I was spiraled down the rabbit hole of "what if" propelled by the idea that fire and burning is probably one of the few things that elicits an instantaneous reaction from our bodies. On contact, our bodies instantly recoil due to the instantaneous and lingering pain of a burn. That got me thinking, most human animals could not inflict that kind of lingering pain on others, aside from horrid things like Napalm used during conflicts, of course. Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

Any thoughts justifying this would be appreciated.

A petty one.

 

[Geoff-Allen]

Try "Conversations With God" - it says God is not into anger or punishment or anything like that ...

Cheers

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Of course I can imagine it (though I don't know what you mean by "literally" and I don't really need to imagine anything, really). Expecting all the gods to have human-like empathy or consideration strikes me as more than a little bit absurd. That, and considering all things are gods to me, the very Spirit of Sadism is a god who by definition would delight in eternally torturing humans and other small animals.

I actually dont know how to reply. What you said makes sense in itself. I guess I have to understand how you define everything as god. For example, I wouldnt know how the spirit of sadism can "delight" in anything. Its sounds like personification of an trait (I think) and giving it human attributes it can do like express delight or maybe anger.

It reminds me of how an christian views god gives love while many anti christians see god hating. Though that too sounds like personification of an abstract trait or idea that doesnt make sense (unless innstory or poetry?) to give "it" reason or ability to do things.

Sounds odd.

I mean, like I can imagine Zena or Zues doing whatever but thats just a figment of my imagination. I cant imagine Zues in real life (literally) doing anything. Likewise with sadaism and love.

With the OP, I cant imagine literally a god that can harm anyone. Its not just that its immoral but even more so, its like trying to make an fictional charactor (lacknof better word) come to life.

Are you saying you can use your imagination? (If so, then I agree)

If not, how can you or any god/s believer imagine in real life (literally) things like love, sadaism, and hate doing anything? Is it personification?

I mean, I understand spirits and objects (anything from a pencil to the moon) doing things. I cant imagine hate, love, etc as gods. The term "god" seems to me in the same catefory as hate, love, and other abstract words people experience (assuming mostly abrahamic rather than Pagan view).

I dont know how they can do things as Spirits and Beings can.

When you say Spirit of Sadism, is the Spirit an entity or person rather than an abstract emotion?

I find it intringuing how you express your faith. If a general subject, its one Id like to know more about.

 

[Maponos]

Torture makes me a bit squeamish. Couldn't we just put the bad guys on the clean up crew in heaven, or something? They can scrub my toilet and pick up the roadside trash while I'm sunning myself in those heavenly rays.

(But seriously, we don't torture convicted murderers. So why should it be all right to do such in the afterlife?)

Well, to put it simply: that's jut how it is.

 

[YmirGF]

Of course I can imagine it (though I don't know what you mean by "literally" and I don't really need to imagine anything, really). Expecting all the gods to have human-like empathy or consideration strikes me as more than a little bit absurd. That, and considering all things are gods to me, the very Spirit of Sadism is a god who by definition would delight in eternally torturing humans and other small animals.

The Spirit of Sadism? Seriously?

 

[YmirGF]

Probably the same kind of twisted and psychotic god who would create human beings in the first place.

Strangely, I've always imagine that the creation of human animals was proof that an alleged god had a distinct sense of humor. Ideas of Hellfire/Hell would seem to negate the idea of a being with a sense of humor.

 

[YmirGF]

He whom only make the rules , so if you don't respect him, you don't have the right to looking for his awards

I just imagine that you produce a robot , than that robot be a rebellion against your rules , and plus it's deny that it's structured/built by you !!!
it's you,ONLY you who had right to do it, whatever you want to it .

Epic fail on the analogy, Godobeyer. If the robot failed I'd place the blame for the failure on the creator/designer. Obviously they didn't do their homework.
It's sort of like people who buy low priced computers and then complain that the thing just doesn't do what they want. Are you suggesting the god is a lousy designer?

 

[Gharib]

The other day I burned my finger (only slightly, nothing serious) and I was spiraled down the rabbit hole of "what if" propelled by the idea that fire and burning is probably one of the few things that elicits an instantaneous reaction from our bodies. On contact, our bodies instantly recoil due to the instantaneous and lingering pain of a burn. That got me thinking, most human animals could not inflict that kind of lingering pain on others, aside from horrid things like Napalm used during conflicts, of course. Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

Any thoughts justifying this would be appreciated.

A god that supposedly doesn't exist and a place that supposedly should't worry you. Yet, in a moment of pain when there are a billion things that you could think about, this non existent being and place occupy your thoughts??

I can't understand this type of thinking.