What kind of a god would make a place like Hell/Hellfire?

[Gharib]

Epic fail on the analogy, Godobeyer. If the robot failed I'd place the blame for the failure on the creator/designer. Obviously they didn't do their homework.
It's sort of like people who buy low priced computers and then complain that the thing just doesn't do what they want. Are you suggesting the god is a lousy designer?

He is suggesting that no matter what happens, even if the robot works better than what it was meant to, there will come a time when we destroy it back to scrap and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Thief]

The other day I burned my finger (only slightly, nothing serious) and I was spiraled down the rabbit hole of "what if" propelled by the idea that fire and burning is probably one of the few things that elicits an instantaneous reaction from our bodies. On contact, our bodies instantly recoil due to the instantaneous and lingering pain of a burn. That got me thinking, most human animals could not inflict that kind of lingering pain on others, aside from horrid things like Napalm used during conflicts, of course. Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

Any thoughts justifying this would be appreciated.

hellfire is what you do to yourself.
you go where you deserve to go...and it is your own creation.

consider the Favored Angel....
he held position most desired....right beside God
he possessed God's first creation as Keeper of the Light
he knows the scripture...old testament, new testament, the works of Muhammad
and Shakespeare and Einstein and whoever....

but he no longer has the Presence of God.

the loss is greater than you or I will ever know
his hell is greater than ours

but he waits to see if we fall

his hell increase when 'something less' finds Presence

 

[Deeje]

There is no burning hell....the devil made that up and got his minions to share it around a lot of different religious faiths, who I believe all serve the same god...just not the real one.

Anyhooo just as a side note...if anyone does burn themselves I have a tip that works brilliantly.....have pure Vitamin E oil filled capsules in your first aid kit.
If you get burnt, use an ice brick wrapped in a damp cloth on the burn for at least half an hour or more if you can. Then smother the burn in Vitamin E and cover it. In the morning there will not even be a blister. This has to be 100% pure Vitamin E, not just a hand cream with Vit E in it.

I have done this several times and it has worked very well each time. No scars, no blisters, no infections.

 

[gnostic]

The other day I burned my finger (only slightly, nothing serious) and I was spiraled down the rabbit hole of "what if" propelled by the idea that fire and burning is probably one of the few things that elicits an instantaneous reaction from our bodies. On contact, our bodies instantly recoil due to the instantaneous and lingering pain of a burn. That got me thinking, most human animals could not inflict that kind of lingering pain on others, aside from horrid things like Napalm used during conflicts, of course. Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

Any thoughts justifying this would be appreciated.

For rapists and child molesters, or people who like to torture or maim others, I don't think that eternity of hell fire are enough for these people...that if hell even exist.

But yes, the whole hell and hell fire are bit on the extreme side for everybody else.

It make me wonder if God is a sadistical bas**** or tyrant, that non-believers (not necessarily "atheists") will burn in hell just because they don't follow the same religion (or follow no religions).

But I do agree with (some) others, that particularly Christians and Muslims who do believe in a literal "hell", it is a scare tactics, designed to make people convert, to one of their religions.

And it for this reason (one of many reasons) that I wouldn't join either religions.

One other reason, why I don't join Christianity or Islam, is that I don't find Christian or Islamic heaven or paradise all that appealing than hell...beside, I will quickly get bored in heaven.

And another reason being that I would have to put up with that sadistical bas**** in heaven. * foot in mouth *

And lastly, do I want to share heavens with hypocrites, terrorists and lawyers, who managed to get heaven on the simple technicality of them "believing in God".

No, thanks.

 

[YmirGF]

A god that supposedly doesn't exist and a place that supposedly should't worry you. Yet, in a moment of pain when there are a billion things that you could think about, this non existent being and place occupy your thoughts??

I can't understand this type of thinking.

No. God didn't enter the picture till I was quite far down the rabbit hole. I was more intrigued on how early writers used this primal fear to keep people in check. The idea of how could any deity create a hell world to place his creations is beyond lurid and well beyond the realm of the sociopath - though it does tell us a lot about the mental state of human animals who saw fit to promote this kind of belief.

He is suggesting that no matter what happens, even if the robot works better than what it was meant to, there will come a time when we destroy it back to scrap and there is nothing wrong with that.

So, we are just playthings of Allah?

 

[gnostic]

hellfire is what you do to yourself.
you go where you deserve to go...and it is your own creation.

More baseless fiction.

I would have to be completely delusional and a masochist to want to punish myself for all eternity and create my own hell fire.

If I had hellfire, I would use it to blast God from his throne.

Just kidding. God don't exist, so heaven and hell are simply la-la fantasyland, so there are no hellfire to wield.

 

[Smart_Guy]

The other day I burned my finger (only slightly, nothing serious) and I was spiraled down the rabbit hole of "what if" propelled by the idea that fire and burning is probably one of the few things that elicits an instantaneous reaction from our bodies. On contact, our bodies instantly recoil due to the instantaneous and lingering pain of a burn. That got me thinking, most human animals could not inflict that kind of lingering pain on others, aside from horrid things like Napalm used during conflicts, of course. Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

Any thoughts justifying this would be appreciated.

What if hell is real then? Wouldn't that make you kinda, you know, reflect?

As for answering the thread's question, I believe it is the same god that would make a place like Heaven/Paradise. I personally cannot believe in a god that only goodies. I believe even a god should be balanced. One does not just do whatever they want of rape and murder, at least without repenting and stopping it for good, and expect to have a pat on the head

I think!

 

[crossfire]

Hellfire from a different, metaphorical perspective: Hell is found within the mind...
The Fire Sermon

 

[atanu]

What kind? One envisioned by man.

That lets women off the hook, at least.

Ha. Ha. Actually women have more severe weapons.

 

[Grumpuss]

Hellfire is what is necessary to separate Palestinians from Jews, Taiwanese from Chinese, Cardinals fans from Yankee fans, people who put ketchup on hotdogs vs. not, and people who wipe back-to-front vs. not.

Some punishments for defying the Lord and living a hateful existence, are necessary. We must only remember that it is not for us to judge who shall receive such punishments.

 

[atanu]

The other day I burned my finger (only slightly, nothing serious) and I was spiraled down the rabbit hole of "what if" propelled by the idea that fire and burning is probably one of the few things that elicits an instantaneous reaction from our bodies. On contact, our bodies instantly recoil due to the instantaneous and lingering pain of a burn. That got me thinking, most human animals could not inflict that kind of lingering pain on others, aside from horrid things like Napalm used during conflicts, of course. Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

Any thoughts justifying this would be appreciated.

I will tell you.

Once, in another of your Bodhisattva avatar state, you caused a small trouble to some one. However, being Bodhisattva you stopped when you saw the other one in pain. So as reminder you got a small burn.

Just imagine the fates of those awarenesses that dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 

[YmirGF]

I will tell you.

Once, in another of your Bodhisattva avatar state, you caused a small trouble to some one. However, being Bodhisattva you stopped when you saw the other one in pain. So as reminder you got a small burn.

Just imagine the fates of those awarenesses that dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I understand and quite like the allusion you've made, but in regards to the bombs, that was not an eternal event. It lasted for a few minutes.

 

[Grumpuss]

Just imagine the fates of those awarenesses that dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Tough to say. After all, those men also SAVED hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Allied and Japanese lives that would have perished in Operation Downfall. Odds are, those brave men have a special place of honor in Heaven.

 

[atanu]

I understand and quite like the allusion you've made, but in regards to the bombs, that was not an eternal event. It lasted for a few minutes.

You are wrong again. You do not know how time dilates and becomes eternity when you are burning.

 

[atanu]

Tough to say. After all, those men also SAVED hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Allied and Japanese lives that would have perished in Operation Downfall. Odds are, those brave men have a special place of honor in Heaven.

If your awareness has duality then you will experience duality.

 

[roger1440]

The other day I burned my finger (only slightly, nothing serious) and I was spiraled down the rabbit hole of "what if" propelled by the idea that fire and burning is probably one of the few things that elicits an instantaneous reaction from our bodies. On contact, our bodies instantly recoil due to the instantaneous and lingering pain of a burn. That got me thinking, most human animals could not inflict that kind of lingering pain on others, aside from horrid things like Napalm used during conflicts, of course. Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

Any thoughts justifying this would be appreciated.

Would you prefer a different type of eternal punishment? There may be a suggestion box,

 

[Grumpuss]

If your awareness has duality then you will experience duality.

Depends what the rules are. Duality, karma... these concepts are not absolute, I understand, but have significant overlap.

 

[DawudTalut]

The other day I burned my finger (only slightly, nothing serious) and ..

Peace be on you.
Hope you are healed now.

I was spiraled down the rabbit hole of "what if" propelled by the idea that fire and burning is probably one of the few things that elicits an instantaneous reaction from our bodies. On contact, our bodies instantly recoil due to the instantaneous and lingering pain of a burn. That got me thinking, most human animals could not inflict that kind of lingering pain on others, aside from horrid things like Napalm used during conflicts, of course. Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments

1=Hereafter, Qayamah, it will be day of reward of what people had already done in worldly life.

2=God is Best Judge, He will see all the circumstances and then decide.

3=Opponents persecute Prophet and Community, they will get due reward.

4=The bodies will not be the ones which are here in this world.

5=God's mercy is bigger than every other thing. Thus after the treatment in hell, guilty ones will be out.

- let alone, eternity?

Ahmadiyya Muslim understating:
The Holy Quran does not teach that those in hell shall suffer everlasting torments.
Hell is meant for the advancement of weak human and their purification. There is no doubt that the abiding of evil-doers in hell is mentioned in some verses of the Holy Quran to be for "abad " which sometimes means prospective eternity, but " abad" also signifies a long time. And there are numerous passages in the Holy Quran showing that those in hell shall ultimately be taken out. Thus, in ch. 6: v. 129, the Quran says: "God said, Verily the fire is your resort to dwell therein unless thy Lord will it otherwise, verily, thy Lord is wise and knowing." On another occasion, those in hell are spoken of as "staying therein for years" (ch. 78: v. 23). The original word is "Ahqab" which is the plural of "huqub", meaning a year or years, or seventy or eighty years, or a long time (see Lanes Arabic Lexicon).
Ref: https://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000017.html

Moreover:

[ch101:v10] "Hell will be his (nursing) mother."
The words are "fa ummohu haviah"

So Hell has a purpose and it is to make weak soul to be able to get spiritual progresses.


There are many bounties, which can lead one's thought to a thankful mode that if one does a little virtue, God appreciate so much that many sins are forgiven. For example, according to a tradition, a sinful person was forgiven because that person pulled some water by effort froma well and gave it to a very thirsty dog.

If one removes a stone from a path, this little virtue will be appreciated by God.

There was a non-believer, who used to feed sparrows. One day his believer-neighbor found him doing Hajj. He was surprised to see him there. New believer said, my little virtue attracted blessings of God for me.

 

[Godobeyer]

Epic fail on the analogy, Godobeyer. If the robot failed I'd place the blame for the failure on the creator/designer. Obviously they didn't do their homework.
It's sort of like people who buy low priced computers and then complain that the thing just doesn't do what they want. Are you suggesting the god is a lousy designer?

God gave us free will . it's not about low price or high.

 

[Zardoz]

Spirit is not effected by physical heat. The hellfire is an analogy for shame, when one cannot forget.