What kind of a god would make a place like Hell/Hellfire?

[Sultan Of Swing]

The other day I burned my finger (only slightly, nothing serious) and I was spiraled down the rabbit hole of "what if" propelled by the idea that fire and burning is probably one of the few things that elicits an instantaneous reaction from our bodies. On contact, our bodies instantly recoil due to the instantaneous and lingering pain of a burn. That got me thinking, most human animals could not inflict that kind of lingering pain on others, aside from horrid things like Napalm used during conflicts, of course. Beyond that though, what kind of a being could stand by and watch some of its supposed creations writhing in pain for more than a few short moments - let alone, eternity?

Any thoughts justifying this would be appreciated.

To say the punishment is too harsh is to underestimate the absolute holiness and purity of the living God.

So in answer to your question. What kind of God? A holy One.

 

[YmirGF]

Some interesting answers and some very, very strange answers.

 

[allfoak]

Some interesting answers and some very, very strange answers.

Interesting question.
Strange question.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm confused. Are we slaves or robots in your analogy?

We are slaves .

"Robots" just was an exemple to explain my point.

 

[Thief]

Hellfire from a different, metaphorical perspective: Hell is found within the mind...
The Fire Sermon

there is also a story of Lazarus and the rich man....

as the dialog unfolds I notice....
the rich man and the angel are close enough to have a face to face discussion
even though the angel makes comment of a 'great divide'

the rich man's parched tongue will not be quenched

 

[Godobeyer]

Regardless of his authority and powers, what kind of god would do such a thing as create hell?

Is it just "because he is god" or does it go deeper? Even Quranicly deeper?

Who creat you and me and all universe and whom made the rules for this life and afterlife .

 

[YmirGF]

Who creat you and me and all universe and whom made the rules for this life and afterlife .

You have a lot of assumptions wrapped up in this sentence.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Who creat you and me and all universe and whom made the rules for this life and afterlife .

I dont think you get the context of the question from the questioner's perepective, rather than your own. Thats okay. Its hard.

What kind of god who created you, me, and all universe and whom made the rules for this life and afterlife, can create a place called hell?

Can you see what we are asking? We arent asking "by what authority" he can create hell. You answered that. We are asking "what kind" of god would create a place like that?

Examples of answers may be:

I.e. 1. God created hell "because" he wanted people to come to him in submission.

I.e. 2. God wanted to help people understans consequrnces so they submit to him for his blessings.

It is a why question not by what authority question.

What kind of god (why would god who created you, me, ans the universe etc) create a place called hell?

What kind of god (of authority, created the universe, you, me, etc) would want to tortue nonbelievers for eternity?

We know who he is and what authority he has. That doesnt answer what kind of creator would do such a thing. It just says "cause he is god" thats it.

Understand?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Believers.

What kind of creator, holy god, creater of heaven, earth, ane universe, slave master, and god would create a place called hell?

Its not what authority he has; we know that. Its, what kind of god with all this authority would create such a horrid place?

Is it because he wants to teach people?
He wants people to submit to him?

What kind of person would want me to wash the dishes daily as a child?

"Because she's your parent"

"Yeah? And....that doesnt say whay kind/motive that relates to her command, that just says who she is in relation to me."

"Uum.. cause she is your authority as a child"

"Of course she is. Other parents dont do this. Thats no excuae. Just says that she is the boss. It doesnt what kind of parent and authority would ask that. Not all parents do. So, what is it about her command in relation to me that would give me to dishes?

Its hard to see the difference. Its a contextual question. We know who god is. We know "by what authority" he has to send people to hell.

We dont know his motives/nature/personality "in relation to who he is as a creator, slave mester, etc, that would make him do such an evil thing.

Thats the question. Not who he is and his position. What kind of person he is action and motive.

EDIT

The nature of god in relation to him making hell

Not.

By what authority he has to make hell?

Jim: What kind of person would kill fifty people?
Cindy: A serial killer
Jim: Yes, but Im asking the nature of that person not the definition him based on what he did.
Cindy: Oh. A bad person.
Jim: So a bad person is the kind serial murderers are for them to kill so many people.
Cindy: To kill all those people, well, yeah.

Now, what about god?

 

[Quintessence]

The Spirit of Sadism? Seriously?

You don't believe sadism exists? Seriously?

I actually dont know how to reply. What you said makes sense in itself. I guess I have to understand how you define everything as god. For example, I wouldnt know how the spirit of sadism can "delight" in anything. Its sounds like personification of an trait (I think) and giving it human attributes it can do like express delight or maybe anger.

Oh, I was being poetical there. The question in the OP was to ask what sort of deity could watch a creature experience prolonged torture. The Spirit of Sadism is one example. But there are many less taboo examples. In the sense that Sun Spirit "watches" all things that happen on this world during the day, Sun Spirit doesn't care if it burns humans with its rays and "tortures" them with pain and agony, nor does it much care if humans torture each other for as long as they are on the planet. When one's gods are all aspects of the universe, it's more than a little absurd to presume that everything in the universe cares about humans or would react in any way to human suffering and pain.

With the OP, I cant imagine literally a god that can harm anyone. Its not just that its immoral but even more so, its like trying to make an fictional charactor (lacknof better word) come to life.

See the above example about the sun (aka, Sun Spirit, aka, a deity to me). Is Sun "immoral" for being the force that gives human sunburns? I guess some people would say so, but I find that kinda weird.

I mean, I understand spirits and objects (anything from a pencil to the moon) doing things. I cant imagine hate, love, etc as gods.

That's curious, because it was common practice in at least some historical Pagan religions to do this. Hellenic mythos in particular is chock full of deities that are basically affects. Like... all of these. Because I don't follow a Hellenic path, I don't use their names for these gods/spirits, but they're there. @YmirGF is strangely incredulous to the notion of a Spirit of Sadism, but I guess they're not familiar with Achos, Oizys, and Eris? Unlike in the classical monotheisms, Pagan gods have never been all fluffy bunnies.

When you say Spirit of Sadism, is the Spirit an entity or person rather than an abstract emotion?

Yes. I don't see this as a dichotomy, given emotions are hardly "abstract" and are very, very real.

 

[Godobeyer]

I dont think you get the context of the question from the questioner's perepective, rather than your own. Thats okay. Its hard.

What kind of god who created you, me, and all universe and whom made the rules for this life and afterlife, can create a place called hell?

Can you see what we are asking? We arent asking "by what authority" he can create hell. You answered that. We are asking "what kind" of god would create a place like that?

Examples of answers may be:

I.e. 1. God created hell "because" he wanted people to come to him in submission.

I.e. 2. God wanted to help people understans consequrnces so they submit to him for his blessings.

It is a why question not by what authority question.

What kind of god (why would god who created you, me, ans the universe etc) create a place called hell?

What kind of god (of authority, created the universe, you, me, etc) would want to tortue nonbelievers for eternity?

We know who he is and what authority he has. That doesnt answer what kind of creator would do such a thing. It just says "cause he is god" thats it.

Understand?

Human mind is limit or illimite ?
What the garanty that you understand it as perfect way , maybe human mind not reach that level ?

God is justice ,that's what told in Quran.


From Translation of Quran :

Spoiler

Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.

So don't worry about His justice !

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You don't believe sadism exists? Seriously?

Yes. I do. Just saying I dont know how it can delight in something. I use those type verbs for the spirit of objects, spirits, all living (nature), and people.

Oh, I was being poetical there.

That makes more sense. I havent heard in conversation "I am in love with John. The love makes me smile. I am happy."

Its more "I am in love with John. His love makes me smile. I am happy". Taking the verb from love and giving it to John.

Is Sun "immoral" for being the force that gives human sunburns? I guess some people would say so, but I find that kinda weird.

Its easier to say "the sun gives sunburns". Poetically, one can say its moral or immoral. I usually dont use that in everyday conversation. Instead of saying, "you know, I got a sunburn yesterday because it was over 90 degrees. The sun is so angry at me." Culture thing, I guess.

That's curious, because it was common practice in at least some historical Pagan religions to do this. Hellenic mythos in particular is chock full of deities that are basically affects

It could be an American culture thing too. Im not to familiar with mythological Paganism. In the Bible, god has a lot of emotions. Weird, not when taken poetically. When its taken literally, I scratch my head. I believe god is life. We experience anger and love etc. Life isnt doing that as a person, deity, or a god/being. Within life/god, we experience that in ourselves.

Yes. I don't see this as a dichotomy, given emotions are hardly "abstract" and are very, very real.

Abstract is real. Just saying its weird to apply verbs we usually use for humans and animals to nature and emotions.

I think my spiritual life would be enhanced if I changed how I see life from literal to poetic. Never thought of that outside of writing poems and talking about it as a passion and hobby. Food for thought.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Human mind is limit or illimite ?
What the garanty that you understand it as perfect way , maybe human mind not reach that level ?

God is justice ,that's what told in Quran.


From Translation of Quran :

Spoiler

Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.

So don't worry about His justice !

Im just clarifying the OP. God of abraham has no part of my life. I honestly and respectfully dont care.

Just saying: the OP is not asking by "what authority" a holy creator of the universe, people, and nature, would create a horrid place called hell.

From what I read, he is asking about god's actual nature.

What kind of god who is holy, creator of the universe, heaven, earth, and people would create hell?

I.e. what kind of killer would take the life of another person?

We know who he is: a killer.
We know what he did: killed.

What kind of person (context) would do such a thing?

Understand?

 

[Godobeyer]

Im just clarifying the OP. God of abraham has no part of my life. I honestly and respectfully dont care.

Just saying: the OP is not asking by "what authority" a holy creator of the universe, people, and nature, would create a horrid place called hell.

From what I read, he is asking about god's actual nature.

What kind of god who is holy, creator of the universe, heaven, earth, and people would create hell?

I.e. what kind of killer would take the life of another person?

We know who he is: a killer.
We know what he did: killed.

What kind of person (context) would do such a thing?

Understand?

Since it's about human being understanding , you can't reach the real concept .

I believe God is absolut justice and He would punish ONLY people whom deserve , and hell is for that reason.

let me back to my exemple :
a Human built robots , and then that human decide to ecrase them for disobeying his instructions, who would/could blame the human ?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Since it's about human being understanding , you can't reach the real concept .

I believe God is absolut justice and He would punish ONLY people whom deserve , and hell is for that reason.

let me back to my exemple :
a Human built robots , and then that human decide to ecrase them for disobeying his instructions, who would/could blame the human ?

I see it more as parent and child. What parent would punish their child for eternity because the child disobeyed his parent and even decided not to love them anymore?

Its more logical that the "punishment" would be absent of parental love. When the child leaves, he has no parental love. The parent Does Nothing.

Your god has it the other way around. The child disobeys and decides not to love his parent. The parent/god punishes the child for eternity.

What kind of parent would not do anything when the child disobeys and leaves? A parent of love. What loving parent would have her child suffer for eternity?

What kind of a parent would punish their child for eternity for disobedience? A god of hate. How can a slave love his master? Love is a choice. An action you WANT to give not forced to. That is unconditional love. That is a relationship. That is what a god would mean to me. That is the kind of god that would teach his child why his disobedience was wrong. Punishment is not the solution.

I understand your answer. It doesnt sound logical. Why? Because you also get blessings from the same person who kills people. Thats like hearing "I love you" from a murderer then he kills me from not returning the reply.

So wrong.

 

[Godobeyer]

I see it more as parent and child. What parent would punish their child for eternity because the child disobeyed his parent and even decided not to love them anymore?

Its more logical that the "punishment" would be absent of parental love. When the child leaves, he has no parental love. The parent Does Nothing.

Your god has it the other way around. The child disobeys and decides not to love his parent. The parent/god punishes the child for eternity.

What kind of parent would not do anything when the child disobeys and leaves? A parent of love. What loving parent would have her child suffer for eternity?

What kind of a parent would punish their child for eternity for disobedience? A god of hate. How can a slave love his master? Love is a choice. An action you WANT to give not forced to. That is unconditional love. That is a relationship. That is what a god would mean to me. That is the kind of god that would teach his child why his disobedience was wrong. Punishment is not the solution.

I understand your answer. It doesnt sound logical. Why? Because you also get blessings from the same person who kills people. Thats like hearing "I love you" from a murderer then he kills me from not returning the reply.

So wrong.

God planet a special mercy/love in parents hearts toward their kids.


You seems take the exemple of parents and son, and I bring the exemple of robots and human lol

If your car out side , you want to ecrase it , who cares, who could blame you for that ?

I believe God don't say "I love you" then commit a murder .

Again we the Muslims don't consider it as relation of parenthood , inspite that we believe that He is the most mercy and justice , and His punishement only to people whom deserve.
btw most of scholars said may not all non-Muslims will enter to Hell.

there are whom never heard about Islam , and some whom distracted by media .

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Strangely, I've always imagine that the creation of human animals was proof that an alleged god had a distinct sense of humor. Ideas of Hellfire/Hell would seem to negate the idea of a being with a sense of humor.

I don't know. Some of the meanest people I've known have also been the people with the sharpest and quickest senses of humor.

 

[Wirey]

I like how any chance at redemption is removed once you get to Hell.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

We are slaves .

Speak for yourself.

 

[Godobeyer]

Speak for yourself.

For this issue, I am speak for Muslims of course !