What makes Islam a religion of peace

[godlikemadman]

It simply astounds me that people can be this ignorant and stupid. I no longer have the energy to continue arguing with you. I'll let others pick up my slack and hopefully make some progress. Let me just get this parting shot in: Muhammad began as a orphaned peasant who worked his way up from nothing to a position of relative power and control. He only fought battles and wars when he was placed under attack by the Munafiqeen and Kuffar of Mecca. His conquests during his lifetime were all in the Arabian peninsula, and were peaceful, not warlike, as he sent out letters to various kingdoms to ask to consider Islam as a religion, just as any Prophet of the Torah or NT did. His predecessors after the 4 Noble Caliphs were responsible for much of the bloodshed, and even then, they were far more just and bloodless than the spread of Christianity under Constantine and the European nations going into the Americas.

Please get a reality-check, markymark, and stop spreading the convoluted version of the truth you are professing. Get your facts straight before whining off on the internet hiding behind an anonymous user profile.

 

[Rational_Mind]

its not christians dont refer to it as the relgion of peace , never have , if otehrs want to say that fine , but muslims have labled islam as the relgion of peace my question is why

Are you saying that there is a religion that does not claim to be a religion of peace? I want to see anyone who sincerely follows their religion and feels that it will not bring peace on many levels. I thought that was the entire point of why followers of religions practice their religion.

I cannot believe how you can genuinely present a question like this. It seems your intent is to slander a religion in particular without any basis for that particular religion. I really hope that is not what you intent. Clarify yourself.

 

[markymark]

You do know Muslims believe in Jesus too right? They just don't think he was god incarnate and instead view him as a prophet with a message of love and forgiveness.

of course i know that i know ....but that is a lie , the same lie that says that jesus did not die on the cross , someon else stepped in - very weak story - whats your point - christians dont belive that so lets stick with what we belive , as he entire basis of chrisitany is about God sending his son to die on the cross for our sins -thats how he shown his love for us what has allah done for the muslims to show his love for them ?

so the only prophet in islam who shows love and forgiveness is the Gods son in chrisitany ...wow seems kind of weak dont you think ,

 

[markymark]

It simply astounds me that people can be this ignorant and stupid. I no longer have the energy to continue arguing with you. I'll let others pick up my slack and hopefully make some progress. Let me just get this parting shot in: Muhammad began as a orphaned peasant who worked his way up from nothing to a position of relative power and control. He only fought battles and wars when he was placed under attack by the Munafiqeen and Kuffar of Mecca. His conquests during his lifetime were all in the Arabian peninsula, and were peaceful, not warlike, as he sent out letters to various kingdoms to ask to consider Islam as a religion, just as any Prophet of the Torah or NT did. His predecessors after the 4 Noble Caliphs were responsible for much of the bloodshed, and even then, they were far more just and bloodless than the spread of Christianity under Constantine and the European nations going into the Americas.

Please get a reality-check, markymark, and stop spreading the convoluted version of the truth you are professing. Get your facts straight before whining off on the internet hiding behind an anonymous user profile.

well well your true colors show , everyone following this post pls note i have not once insulted you or been rude to you in this debate like you just have - its a sure sign of desperation often seen on the internet when discussing islam - my facts are straight - i am not surprised i was waiting for this when someone of little substance gets pushed into a corner this is normal the response - thanks for the kind parting words

ohh and i am not a kuffir i am an indfedal learn the diffence

 

[markymark]

Are you saying that there is a religion that does not claim to be a religion of peace? I want to see anyone who sincerely follows their religion and feels that it will not bring peace on many levels. I thought that was the entire point of why followers of religions practice their religion.

I cannot believe how you can genuinely present a question like this. It seems your intent is to slander a religion in particular without any basis for that particular religion. I really hope that is not what you intent. Clarify yourself.

my intent is to debate why islam is called the religion of peace - when by hitorical fact it clearly is not - again the founder of islam spread his religion by the sword , therefore islam was birthed in violence along with islamic teachings on violents towards non believers(specifacly jews and Christians) and what islams teaches about woman and there treatment - i want to know taking all that into asccount how can islam be a relgion of peace ?

its not a hard question , Jesus lived a life of peace , healing others and feeding the hungry - can you give me any reason NOT to give him the title the prince of peace ?

 

[Rational_Mind]

wow thats a very very weak response OT again hey sorry do you know anything about the bible , have you ever read it - guess not the bible clearly instructs chrisitans to live by the NT , where the founder of Christianity was sacfriced as an innocent man and spread love and healing were ever he went(note muhhmaed never healed anyone - leads me to belive he was a false prophet)

so does the quran have an NT instructing its followers to treat others as themselves and turn the other cheek when slapped ...cause all the versus in islamic teachings regarding non believers are violent in nature of derogatory , why is allah so obsessed with the non believer

Muhammad (SAW) healed so many people who were morally dead or diseased. As an Ahmadi Muslim we don't believe that Jesus (AS) brought people back to life etc...But he also brought back moral life to the morally dead. Muhammad (SAW) faced the most challenging task of all, you should really study history and see the truth.

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also (Matthew 5-39).

Christians have often cited this teaching of Jesus and argued that Jesus preached against war. But in the New Testament, we have passages which purport to teach quite the opposite. One passage, for instance, says:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34)

And another passage says:

Then said he unto them. But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one (Luke 22:36).

Before you bring about arguments against Islam study your own scriptures that have been clearly edited and manipulated for selfish objectives. We believe Jesus (AS) was peaceful but we cannot believe that the scriptures presented as the Word of God are accurate as they have tarnished the characters of many pious people and contradict.

Let us not even begin on seeing how closely Christians followed this doctrine and whether turning the other cheek is even practical to be applied everywhere.

 

[markymark]

Muhammad (SAW) healed so many people who were morally dead or diseased. As an Ahmadi Muslim we don't believe that Jesus (AS) brought people back to life etc...But he also brought back moral life to the morally dead. Muhammad (SAW) faced the most challenging task of all, you should really study history and see the truth.

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also (Matthew 5-39).

Christians have often cited this teaching of Jesus and argued that Jesus preached against war. But in the New Testament, we have passages which purport to teach quite the opposite. One passage, for instance, says:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34)

And another passage says:

Then said he unto them. But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one (Luke 22:36).

Before you bring about arguments against Islam study your own scriptures that have been clearly edited and manipulated for selfish objectives. We believe Jesus (AS) was peaceful but we cannot believe that the scriptures presented as the Word of God are accurate as they have tarnished the characters of many pious people and contradict.

Let us not even begin on seeing how closely Christians followed this doctrine and whether turning the other cheek is even practical to be applied everywhere.

thanks but i know my bible -ahhhh do you know what i was waiting for you to mention this verse:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34)

your response is weak at best here is why - pls can you provide ANY versuse were jesus used a sword , any pls would love to hear , the bible often refers to the bible as the two edge sword , it also says put on the armour of God daily , the belt of truth , the breast plate of rightouesess , does taht mean chrisitans have to put on real armoury - no of course not - when old mo talks about the sword - he actually means a sword - fact is old mo killed many people - does not matter if it was in battle or not, jesus was never in battle - when they came to crucify him - did he tell his disciples to attack the romans , no he gave himself up - man you have nothing - try again pls

we are not deabting if christains follow the bible they should turn the other cheek , we are debating waht is taught in islam , stop trying to duck the real issue

lets no even begin discussing islam barbaric views and disgusting instructions on how woman should be treated - otherwise i really have to start playing hard ball

 

[Quagmire]

thanks but i know my bible -ahhhh do you know what i was waiting for you to mention this verse:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34)

your response is weak at best here is why - pls can you provide ANY versuse were jesus used a sword , any pls would love to hear , the bible often refers to the bible as the two edge sword , it also says put on the armour of God daily , the belt of truth , the breast plate of rightouesess , does taht mean chrisitans have to put on real armoury - no of course not - when old mo talks about the sword - he actually means a sword - fact is old mo killed many people - does not matter if it was in battle or not, jesus was never in battle - when they came to crucify him - did he tell his disciples to attack the romans , no he gave himself up - man you have nothing - try again pls

we are not deabting if christains follow the bible they should turn the other cheek , we are debating waht is taught in islam , stop trying to duck the real issue

This is one of the funniest posts I've seen in a while.

You ignore the verse that Rational Mind quoted because you were "waiting for him to mention this verse": Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34)

...and then you go on to respond as if he actually had posted that verse.


That looks like fun, let me try: I was waiting for you to say that all people who follow religions other than your own have three heads.

Now prove to me that they all have three heads.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

its not christians dont refer to it as the relgion of peace , never have , if otehrs want to say that fine , but muslims have labled islam as the relgion of peace my question is why

Right, that whole turn the other cheek thing was meaningless.

cast waht stone , it it wrong to say a thief is wrong because he steals no of course not he is wrong same with islam , waht is teaches about woman and unbelievers is wrong - end off

So what you're saying is that you believe that Islam is a religion of violence and war and you want others to agree with you. Well don't be surprised that most folks around here are a little more informed.

 

[fishy]

the bible says ever word is Gods word , the quran is def not legit , as it comes from a false prohpet , moses , abraham , elisha all the prophets preformed miricales and healings and amazing feats

I do hope you have some ex-biblical documentation to support this. I just turned a full glass of beer into an empty beer glass, it's a miracle I tells ya.

 

[godlikemadman]

Can someone teach this guy how to spell? It hurts my eyes to try and read his posts.

 

[gnostic]

thank you - very true except Muhammed never healed anyone or preformed any miricales in fact all he did was intruct troops , saying he is a miracle as he could not read is up for debate - pls provide an information that Muhammed was a prophet and not just a madman as if i compare him other prophets he just looks like a madman to me

I am agnostic, markymark. I know that you a Christian, and would see Jesus as the "Messiah". Whether he is or not, only fall within your religion and your doctrine. Likewise, the same could be said about Muhammad. He was the prophet (and messenger) of his religion - Islam, can be debated whether he is or not. And likewise for every other Hebrew prophets, it can debated or questioned or doubted, but as far as the 3 major Abrahamic religions, they are, each by their respective religions.

I see every religious figures as being prophets, messiah or messenger, to be doubtful, and can be called into question of their status.

Whether Muhammad is a prophet or not, depend on your religion, but since you're a Christian you can dismiss him. It is your rights. But it is also Muslims' rights to believe him to be prophet (and messenger).

My previous reply only concern with Jesus and Muhammad of whether they were in armed conflicts or not. Jesus didn't, as far as we know from the gospels, but Muhammad did. I was not calling into question of whether Muhammad was a prophet or not, because it is irrelevant.

And whether Islam is a religion of peace or not is debatable, just as Christianity being a religion of peace is debatable. Jesus may not have picked up the swords, but a couple of centuries later, Christianity did, once it had gained political and military power, the Christian religion was just as worldly as Islam.

 

[markymark]

This is one of the funniest posts I've seen in a while.

You ignore the verse that Rational Mind quoted because you were "waiting for him to mention this verse": Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34)

...and then you go on to respond as if he actually had posted that verse.


That looks like fun, let me try: I was waiting for you to say that all people who follow religions other than your own have three heads.

Now prove to me that they all have three heads.

sorry i am really not trying to be rude at all here...but are you drunk as i cant make any sense of your post , you are rambling on about three heads or something ...sorry i really i have no idea waht your are on about , this post is about islam ,

simple question do you deny that old mo was a poltical warlord that killed many in battle , i mean what is a man of peace doing doing in battle ?

was jesus ever in battle or war ?

 

[markymark]

Can someone teach this guy how to spell? It hurts my eyes to try and read his posts.

ahhh the insults again ..you cant help yourself can you ....sorry is it a spelling test , if it hurts your eyes i suggest taking a break from the computer and resting them for a bit

 

[fishy]

as he entire basis of chrisitany is about God sending his son to die on the cross for our sins -thats how he shown his love for us what has allah done for the muslims to show his love for them ?

You can't get more violent than murdering your own son as a human sacrifice to yourself in order to convince yourself to do something, ie forgive sin, that you could do at any time you like. I think maybe you need to re-evaluate your understanding of religions.

 

[markymark]

I am agnostic, markymark. I know that you a Christian, and would see Jesus as the "Messiah". Whether he is or not, only fall within your religion and your doctrine. Likewise, the same could be said about Muhammad. He was the prophet (and messenger) of his religion - Islam, can be debated whether he is or not. And likewise for every other Hebrew prophets, it can debated or questioned or doubted, but as far as the 3 major Abrahamic religions, they are, each by their respective religions.

I see every religious figures as being prophets, messiah or messenger, to be doubtful, and can be called into question of their status.

Whether Muhammad is a prophet or not, depend on your religion, but since you're a Christian you can dismiss him. It is your rights. But it is also Muslims' rights to believe him to be prophet (and messenger).

My previous reply only concern with Jesus and Muhammad of whether they were in armed conflicts or not. Jesus didn't, as far as we know from the gospels, but Muhammad did. I was not calling into question of whether Muhammad was a prophet or not, because it is irrelevant.

And whether Islam is a religion of peace or not is debatable, just as Christianity being a religion of peace is debatable. Jesus may not have picked up the swords, but a couple of centuries later, Christianity did, once it had gained political and military power, the Christian religion was just as worldly as Islam.

ok simple questions according to historical facts - do you deny muhhamed was a politcal warlord , that killed non believers in battle.

yes or no ...and why

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

simple question do you deny that old mo was a poltical warlord that killed many in battle , i mean what is a man of peace doing doing in battle ?

was jesus ever in battle or war ?

So you base your entire arguement on the fact that Jesus lived in a time and place that allowed him to avoid going to war and Mohammed lived in a violent time of upheavel and had to fight and be a leader for his people equating to Jesus being peace and Mohammed being war? It's truly hard to take you seriously.

 

[gnostic]

ok simple questions according to historical facts - do you deny muhhamed was a politcal warlord , that killed non believers in battle.

yes or no ...and why

Did you even bother to read my 1st reply (to reptillian)?

I have stated that he wield both political and military powers. I am not going to repeat myself, so my answer to your question is "yes".

 

[markymark]

You can't get more violent than murdering your own son as a human sacrifice to yourself in order to convince yourself to do something, ie forgive sin, that you could do at any time you like. I think maybe you need to re-evaluate your understanding of religions.

wow , you know very very little of religion , it was hard to do but a sacfrices had to made and God knew he would come back from the dead - it was the only way to save man ..anyway you getting of the OP.... you welcome to start your own OP on that subject -pls try and stick to he question which is how can islam be a religion of peace if it was birthed in violence by its founder its really a simple question.

 

[Quagmire]

sorry i am really not trying to be rude at all here...but are you drunk as i cant make any sense of your post ,

Not surprising since I'm doing exactly the same thing you're doing.

you are rambling on about three heads or something ...sorry i really i have no idea waht your are on about ,

Yes you do.

this post is about islam ,

You mean the thread? Yes, it's obstensibly about Islam, but you're turning it into a lesson in (amatuerish) dissembling.

simple question do you deny that old mo was a poltical warlord that killed many in battle , i mean what is a man of peace doing doing in battle ?

was jesus ever in battle or war ?

I'm sorry, I'd like to address all that but I was "waiting" for you to say that George Washington was the King of Ireland.