godlikemadman
God Among Men
I swear, this debate (if you can actually call it that) is making my very BRAIN ache.
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What makes Islam a religion of peace
- Thread starter markymark
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Sure. Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Of course before that there was the incident with Peter in the Garden when he cut the ear off one of the Temple guards.
So you're saying it's OK to advocate viiolence as long as you don't actually particpate in it?
Beats me. I'm much more interested in Psychology than History, which is why I'm focusing more on the way your debating rather than what you're trying to "debate" about.
The actual quote was "by saying that since Mohammed actually took part in battles..."
I was talking about you're perspective, not mine, since (as you keep nagging about) I haven't offered mine yet.
Intentionally misquoting..., taking things out of context..., asking the same questions over and over regardless of the fact that they've already been answered..., hearing things that nobody said and missing most of what people actually are saying...., you're becomong more interesting by the minute.
well then i am not interested in Psychology ...so find some else who is ...i work on historical facts like the ones below
Muhammad gained few followers early on,[13] and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia[14] before he and his remaining followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]
godlikemadman
God Among Men
that is the 6th time you have ******* reposted that excerpt from wikipedia. please ******* stop. it is not helping you.
ok firstly - I never said he wasn't, - so you agree then he was
second - were should i begin
treatment towards unbelievers
the fact islam was birthed in violence and its founder killed many non muslims in war
the treatment of woman in islamic teachings
i think thats enough to get started .....so even thought the founder of islam who all muslim look to as the perfect Muslim killed unbelievers in battle and spread islam by the sword - you still belive it should label "Religion of Peace".
can you tell me why that is ?
godlikemadman
God Among Men
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wow you just keep showing more of your true color , my my take deep breath and have a sip of water it helps me calm down sometimes
here is an idea - read the historical facts below
in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]
and simply tell was muhammed a warlord or not , its really not a complicated quetion
godlikemadman
God Among Men
Congratulations, markymark, you broke me with your stupidity.
Rational_Mind
Ahmadi Muslim
We have all tried, to the best of our ability, to kindly engage in a thoughtful conversation except for markymark. So let us not waste our time and let us hope that markymark realizes how wrong he is in the near future. Again, I stress that we realize that this is clearly useless and we should not waste time on someone who takes away the right of others looking to seek truth.
godlikemadman
God Among Men
oh. my. god.
WIKIPEDIA =/= HISTORICAL FACTS
8 years of fighting = 8 years of being attacked by the Makkans because of their intolerance for Islam =/= 8 years of Muhammad waging war on the Kuffar
WIKIPEDIA =/= HISTORICAL FACTS
8 years of fighting = 8 years of being attacked by the Makkans because of their intolerance for Islam =/= 8 years of Muhammad waging war on the Kuffar
nothin i am done point proven any muslims or non belivers eading this pls note my fellow muslim brother has agreed with me that Muhammed was a political warlord ....or commander - honestly same thing
He was a military commander, yes, he was a political leader, yes, and he was a prophet, yes
therefore my point is made
islam cant be a religion of peace if its founder who was a military commander, lead troops into war against non believers , some muslims may be peaceful, but islam according to history is not a religion of peace .....
thats just what i have been saying the whole time dude
glad we agree
again you just keep insulting me .....thats fine it just really does show waht type of person you are and i hate to say it ..but i found it a common tool used when debating islam wih muslims starts of peacefully and turns ugly -much like Muhammed history
thanks for showing your true colors
godlikemadman
God Among Men
You know what? I don't even care anymore. I just... don't care. I don't care if you take my words out of context or refuse to listen to what I am saying.
Just so I can clarify it to anyone who thinks markymark has a point: Muhammad was a military commander ONLY when he was attacked by outside forces. He was simply defending himself and his Ummah, his followers. This does not in any way delegitmatize the fact that he was a founder of a religion, and that that religion is based on peace. Muhammad did not want to fight these wars. He fought them as last resorts because all attempts at negotiation or treaty had failed.
Just so I can clarify it to anyone who thinks markymark has a point: Muhammad was a military commander ONLY when he was attacked by outside forces. He was simply defending himself and his Ummah, his followers. This does not in any way delegitmatize the fact that he was a founder of a religion, and that that religion is based on peace. Muhammad did not want to fight these wars. He fought them as last resorts because all attempts at negotiation or treaty had failed.
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YOU JUST DONT GET IT DO YOU .....one last time i dont care why muhammed was in battle - FACT is he was in battle for 8 years for what ever reason , even if he was being attacked
MY POINT IS
when Jesus life was threated he gave himself up to be tourted and crucified the worst type punishment , not a quick death
Muhammed followed a different route when attacked - he attacked back with an army behind him
why cant you understand those two concepts ...who do you blindly refuse to even entertain them
YOU JUST DONT GET IT DO YOU .....one last time i dont care why muhammed was in battle - FACT is he was in battle for 8 years for what ever reason , even if he was being attacked
MY POINT IS
when Jesus life was threated he gave himself up to be tourted and crucified the worst type punishment , not a quick death
Muhammed followed a different route when attacked - he attacked back with an army behind him
why cant you understand those two concepts ...who do you blindly refuse to even entertain them as many muslims do
so a religion birthed in violence spread by the sword - thats the type of peace this world really needs..thanks for your time
godlikemadman
God Among Men
MAYBE, just MAYBE, because Muhammad didn't want to get SLAUGHTERED and have his entire FAMILY and UMMAH get OBLITERATED by those who wanted him DEAD
I don't think you understand, markymark, that just because you fight back against injustice does not make you violent or warlike. When Jesus re-entered the temple and cast out the gamblers and money-changers, he was violent. He kicked people out of the temple. This does not make him a violent man. He did what was necessary under the circumstances. In the same way, Muhammad was not in continuous battle for 8 years: instead the amount of time between when he was exiled from Mecca and when he returned triumphant was a span of 8 years. Believe it or not, Wikipedia does not have all the answers.
I don't think you understand, markymark, that just because you fight back against injustice does not make you violent or warlike. When Jesus re-entered the temple and cast out the gamblers and money-changers, he was violent. He kicked people out of the temple. This does not make him a violent man. He did what was necessary under the circumstances. In the same way, Muhammad was not in continuous battle for 8 years: instead the amount of time between when he was exiled from Mecca and when he returned triumphant was a span of 8 years. Believe it or not, Wikipedia does not have all the answers.
no i base it on this try ..pls try keep up
.....one last time i dont care why muhammed was in battle - FACT is he was in battle for 8 years for what ever reason , even if he was being attacked
MY POINT IS
when Jesus life was threated he gave himself up to be tourted and crucified the worst type punishment , not a quick death
Muhammed followed a different route when attacked - he attacked back with an army behind him
why cant you understand those two concepts ...
godlikemadman
God Among Men
I'm just at a loss for words.