What makes Islam a religion of peace

[markymark]

I'm just at a loss for words.

wont change the historical facts , sorry

 

[godlikemadman]

You claim historical facts... yet you have not provided a single legitimate objective source of proof for any of your arguments!

WIKIPEDIA IS NOT LEGITIMATE OR OBJECTIVE

 

[Quagmire]

well then i am not interested in Psychology

That's OK, the subject doesn't necessarily have to be.

...so find some else who is ...

Nah, you'll do.

i work on historical facts

I think you meant to say "re-work" there.

like the ones below

Muhammad gained few followers early on,[13] and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia[14] before he and his remaining followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]

(emphasis mine)

Did you happen to notice the part about his uniting the conflicting tribes (it's the part I added emphasis to above). What does that suggest to you? You realize, of course, that when it says "conflicting" , considering the historical context, that means warring, right?

In other words, Mohammad took a bunch of warring tribes who were usually busy trying to kill each other and brought them together and made them stop.

Point 1 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument.

Ok, since you like wiki so much, lets see what it has to say about all this, particularly the parts you choose to leave out for some reason.

In 630, Muhammad marched on Mecca with an enormous force, said to number more than ten thousand men. With minimal casualties, Muhammad took control of Mecca.[157][158]

Compare this with the wanton and unnecessary slaughter usually inflicted on civilian populations by later Christian armies in their campaigns.

Point 2 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument.

He [Mohammad] declared an amnesty for past offences, except for ten men and women who had mocked and ridiculed him in songs and verses. Some of these were later pardoned.[158][159]

Quite a civilized victory celebration when compared with the typical Christian Crusader scenario, which consisted of the burning of villages, rape, torture of civilian populations, looting, vandalism, destruction of icons and institutions and everything in their archives (including ancient and irreplaceable manuscripts).

Point 3 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument

Below is a link discussing some of the social reforms instituted by Mohammad after his conquests:

Early social changes under Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would give that one quite a few points, but for now lets just consider it all point 4 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument.

Looks like 4 to 0 so far.

Your turn.

 

[markymark]

You claim historical facts... yet you have not provided a single legitimate objective source of proof for any of your arguments!

WIKIPEDIA IS NOT LEGITIMATE OR OBJECTIVE

firstly wikapedia is sorry -

secondly forget about wikapedia ...i only used it to proof to you Muhammed took part in war (for whatever reason) you have already agreed with me old mo was a military commander (your words)- therefore a poltical warlord... there is nothing more discuss we are in agreement.

peace

 

[markymark]

That's OK, the subject doesn't necessarily have to be.



Nah, you'll do.



I think you meant to say "re-work" there.

(emphasis mine)

Did you happen to notice the part about his uniting the conflicting tribes (it's the part I added emphasis to above). What does that suggest to you? You realize, of course, that when it says "conflicting" , considering the historical context, that means warring, right?

In other words, Mohammad took a bunch of warring tribes who were usually busy trying to kill each other and brought them together and made them stop.

Point 1 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument.

Ok, since you like wiki so much, lets see what it has to say about all this, particularly the parts you choose to leave out for some reason.



Compare this with the wanton and unnecessary slaughter usually inflicted on civilian populations by later Christian armies in their campaigns.

Point 2 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument.



Quite a civilized victory celebration when compared with the typical Christian Crusader scenario, which consisted of the burning of villages, rape, torture of civilian populations, looting, vandalism, destruction of icons and institutions and everything in their archives (including ancient and irreplaceable manuscripts).

Point 3 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument

Below is a link discussing some of the social reforms instituted by Mohammad after his conquests:

Early social changes under Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would give that one quite a few points, but for now lets just consider it all point 4 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument.

Looks like 4 to 0 so far.

Your turn.

ok i am pretty bored now but i will give leave you with this , i dont have to proof anything ..thats why we have history to fall back on -

this is what history says about mo ,he had an army and he was involved in war against non believers of islam for 8 years - i dont care why - clearly thats not a man of peace, since islam entire religion is based of muhammed - point proven - nothing more to say.

thanks madman for agreeing with me that mo was a military commander

take care

 

[godlikemadman]

So you're not going to address anything Quagmire just said? Just because I said "military commander", and in context in which I was not agreeing with you?

This is hopeless. Bye.

 

[godlikemadman]

What the hell is wrong with you? Are you not comprehending anything I'm saying to you right now? His capacity as a military commander was ONLY in dire emergency situations where there was NO OTHER OPTION. You're saying that just because he held this title, he cannot have founded a religion of peace. This is false. You are not making sense with your arguments. Debate can only work if both sides have a degree of common sense.

 

[Quagmire]

ok i am pretty bored

That's because you refuse to learn anything new. :yes:

now but i will give leave you with this , i dont have to proof anything

So there.

..thats why we have history to fall back on -

Ah, is that what you tripped over.

this is what history says about mo ,he had an army and he was involved in war against non believers of islam for 8 years

Ah, OK, now I think I understand. You're using a quote from the same history book that says " Rome was big, and the Romans did stuff, and they wore beds sheets, and did some more stuff, and stuff".

- i dont care why - clearly

Clearly. :yes:

thats not a man of peace, since islam entire religion is based of muhammed

And stuff.

- point proven -

Yes, and thank you for helping me with that.

nothing more to say.

So you're leaving in the same state you arrived.

thanks madman

I don't think the squirrels in my backyard understand most of what I do either.

for agreeing with me that mo was a military commander

No probs. And thank you for participating in my demonstration.

 

[godlikemadman]

Haha, Quagmire, I think he was referring to me when he said "madman". But no doubt that squirrels think you're mad as well =D

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

if i am threatened with a weapon and its Gods will i die i will gladly sacrfice myself to spend eternity with God (GLADLY) and follow Jesus example as he did when the Romans came to arrest him and crucify him for no reason and thats the truth

It's very easy to make a claim like that when you know it will never happen. Since the rest of us also know it will never happen we have no reason to believe you.

 

[Quagmire]

Haha, Quagmire, I think he was referring to me when he said "madman".

Ah, just caught that.

But no doubt that squirrels think you're mad as well =D

Well, they know me in real life afterall.

 

[Reptillian]

Sheesh, this thread took a turn for the worst since I looked at it this morning! Everyone take a deep breath and count to ten...

I'd also like to say that I've never personally met a Muslim that I didn't like. I've met students in college from Pakistan/Iran/Malaysia/India and they were some of the most admirable, friendly, and intelligent individuals I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. I think we often see the worst of the Islamic world on television so its easy for Jon Q. Public to get the skewed idea that followers of Islam are all violent people in favor of oppressive theocracy. As is often the case, fanatics and fools make up the minority of the population, but they tend to yell the loudest. Most Christians are moderate, but who makes it into the news? Its the people like Fred Phelps and the types that bomb abortion clinics, try to pray away disease instead of seeking medical care, or who advocate creationism in science class. Just keep in mind that extremists and crazies tend to sell papers and attract attention.

 

[markymark]

Sheesh, this thread took a turn for the worst since I looked at it this morning! Everyone take a deep breath and count to ten...

I'd also like to say that I've never personally met a Muslim that I didn't like. I've met students in college from Pakistan/Iran/Malaysia/India and they were some of the most admirable, friendly, and intelligent individuals I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. I think we often see the worst of the Islamic world on television so its easy for Jon Q. Public to get the skewed idea that followers of Islam are all violent people in favor of oppressive theocracy. As is often the case, fanatics and fools make up the minority of the population, but they tend to yell the loudest. Most Christians are moderate, but who makes it into the news? Its the people like Fred Phelps and the types that bomb abortion clinics, try to pray away disease instead of seeking medical care, or who advocate creationism in science class. Just keep in mind that extremists and crazies tend to sell papers and attract attention.

yes i think i would agree with you..it did take a turn for the worst ..as you can see my muslim friends have decided to use inslults as there choice of response.....:clap

i did not say all muslims are bad there are good and bad in every relgion - fact .....

I think we often see the worst of the Islamic world on television

yes papers do report on islmaic attacks , but there are may they dont report on .....and western media is not allowed in islamic countries(eg syria - were the muslim government is killing its own people , Libya again muslim government killing its own people , pakistan muslim government killing anyone who insults old mo , isi ,paksitan is the most dangerous place for journalists , eygypt - muslim government killing its own people)

Islam are all violent people in favor of oppressive theocracy.

it is - eg: syria , Egypt, Libya, Pakistan - just to mention a few

Most Christians are moderate - i would agree with that

Fared Phelps - thats weak - have just listed of a list of countries wer the muslim government is attacking its own people and killing anyone that insluts islam - are those governments killing there own not Muslims ?


godlikeman agreed with me muhammed was a military commander...thats all i needed to agree on

point:

When muhammed was attacked(for whatever reason)instead of giving himself up and trusting in God he attacked back with his followers as an army ,

When Jesus was attacked (for whatever reason) instead of
fighting back with his followers as an army he gave himself up.

thats historical fact ...i dont need to proof anything its all right there in black and white

thanks for all the insults guys i am not surprised its the usual response when debating islam

take care

 

[markymark]

It's very easy to make a claim like that when you know it will never happen. Since the rest of us also know it will never happen we have no reason to believe you.

i am being totally honest , dont ask a question and then when i give you answer you dont like ..tell me its no a true response ...why even ask the question

 

[Iti oj]

I would say its individual Muslims that make Islam a religion of peace

 

[markymark]

That's OK, the subject doesn't necessarily have to be.



Nah, you'll do.



I think you meant to say "re-work" there.

(emphasis mine)

Did you happen to notice the part about his uniting the conflicting tribes (it's the part I added emphasis to above). What does that suggest to you? You realize, of course, that when it says "conflicting" , considering the historical context, that means warring, right?

In other words, Mohammad took a bunch of warring tribes who were usually busy trying to kill each other and brought them together and made them stop.

Point 1 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument.

Ok, since you like wiki so much, lets see what it has to say about all this, particularly the parts you choose to leave out for some reason.



Compare this with the wanton and unnecessary slaughter usually inflicted on civilian populations by later Christian armies in their campaigns.

Point 2 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument.



Quite a civilized victory celebration when compared with the typical Christian Crusader scenario, which consisted of the burning of villages, rape, torture of civilian populations, looting, vandalism, destruction of icons and institutions and everything in their archives (including ancient and irreplaceable manuscripts).

Point 3 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument

Below is a link discussing some of the social reforms instituted by Mohammad after his conquests:

Early social changes under Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would give that one quite a few points, but for now lets just consider it all point 4 for Islam as the Religion of Peace argument.

Looks like 4 to 0 so far.

Your turn.

AHHHH THE RELIGION OF PEACE - WERE THE GOVERNMENT KILL ITS OWN PEOPLE

The Arab Spring (Arabic: الربيع العربي‎ ar-Rabīʻ al-ʻArabiyy), otherwise known as the Arab Awakening,[1] is a revolutionary wave of demonstrations and protests occurring in the Arab world that began on Saturday, 18 December 2010. To date, there have been revolutions in Tunisia[2] and Egypt;[3] a civil war in Libya resulting in the fall of the country's government;[4] civil uprisings in Bahrain,[5] Syria,[6] and Yemen, the latter resulting in the resignation of the country's longtime president;[7] major protests in Algeria,[8] Iraq,[9] Jordan,[10] Kuwait,[11] Morocco,[12] and Oman;[13] and minor protests in Lebanon,[14] Mauritania, Saudi Arabia,[15] Sudan,[16] and Western Sahara.[17] Clashes at the borders of Israel in May 2011 and the Palestine 194 movement were also inspired by the regional Arab Spring.[18]

SO THATS WHAT YOU MEANT BY PEACE

ISLAM - 0

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

i am being totally honest , dont ask a question and then when i give you answer you dont like ..tell me its no a true response ...why even ask the question

You might even believe that you're being honest but why should we believe you? I believe that if you were faced with being crucified for your beliefs you would scream and cry like a little girl. But since there is no possible way for us to know who is correct it doesn't really matter does it?

 

[A Thousand Suns]

yes but chrstians have not labled as that - Jesus was the prince of peace as he lived a life of peace , healed people , showed love to everyone and was crucfied for a crime he did not commit - does that not sound like a peacfull man to you ?

If Jesus is the prince of peace, then why did he kill many innocent people in OT? And why will he kill all his enemies in the second coming?

 

[godlikemadman]

AHHHH THE RELIGION OF PEACE - WERE THE GOVERNMENT KILL ITS OWN PEOPLE

The Arab Spring (Arabic: الربيع العربي‎ ar-Rabīʻ al-ʻArabiyy), otherwise known as the Arab Awakening,[1] is a revolutionary wave of demonstrations and protests occurring in the Arab world that began on Saturday, 18 December 2010. To date, there have been revolutions in Tunisia[2] and Egypt;[3] a civil war in Libya resulting in the fall of the country's government;[4] civil uprisings in Bahrain,[5] Syria,[6] and Yemen, the latter resulting in the resignation of the country's longtime president;[7] major protests in Algeria,[8] Iraq,[9] Jordan,[10] Kuwait,[11] Morocco,[12] and Oman;[13] and minor protests in Lebanon,[14] Mauritania, Saudi Arabia,[15] Sudan,[16] and Western Sahara.[17] Clashes at the borders of Israel in May 2011 and the Palestine 194 movement were also inspired by the regional Arab Spring.[18]

SO THATS WHAT YOU MEANT BY PEACE

ISLAM - 0

Holy **** dude.

I can use Wikipedia too!

The Inquisition:
The Inquisition, Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis (inquiry on heretical perversity), was the "fight against heretics" by several institutions within the justice-system of the Roman Catholic Church. It started in the 12th century, with the introduction of torture in the persecution of heresy.[1] Inquisition practices were used also on offences against canon law other than heresy.

The Crusades:
The Crusades were a series of religious expeditionary wars blessed by the Pope and the Catholic Church, with the main goal of restoring Christian access to the holy places in and near Jerusalem. The Crusades were originally launched in response to a call from the leaders of the Byzantine Empire for help to fight the expansion into Anatolia of Muslim Seljuk Turks who had cut off access to Jerusalem.[1] The crusaders comprised military units of Roman Catholics from all over western Europe, and were not under unified command. The main series of Crusades, primarily against Muslims, occurred between 1095 and 1291. Historians have given many of the earlier crusades numbers. After some early successes, the later crusades failed and the crusaders were defeated and forced to return home.

Colonialism:
Christianity and colonialism are often closely associated because Catholicism, Russian Orthodoxy and Protestantism were the religions of the European colonial powers[52] and acted in many ways as the "religious arm" of those powers.[53] Initially, Christian missionaries were portrayed as "visible saints, exemplars of ideal piety in a sea of persistent savagery". However, by the time the colonial era drew to a close in the last half of the twentieth century, missionaries became viewed as “ideological shock troops for colonial invasion whose zealotry blinded them.”[54]
Christianity is targeted by critics of colonialism because the tenets of the religion were used to justify the actions of the colonists.[55] For example, Michael Wood asserts that the indigenous peoples were not considered to be human beings and that the colonisers was shaped by "centuries of Ethnocentrism, and Christian monotheism, which espoused one truth, one time and version of reality.”[56]

Slavery:
Nearly all Christian leaders before the late 17th century regarded slavery, within specific Biblical limitations, as consistent with Christian theology.Pope Nicholas V instituted hereditary slavery of captured Muslims and pagans, which effectively meant Africans or Asians.[citation needed] As he read the Bible, God had instructed his faithful to make slaves of the neighboring heathens.[citation needed] Pope Paul III in the 1537 bull Sublimis Deus forbade the seizing of pagans as slaves, however various Christian groups[who?] have taught that Africans were the descendants of Ham, cursed with "the mark of Ham" (dark skin) to be servants to the descendants of Japheth (Europeans) and Shem (Asians).[2]

Oh yeah, definitely a religion of peace, buddy.

 

[markymark]

If Jesus is the prince of peace, then why did he kill many innocent people in OT? And why will he kill all his enemies in the second coming?

hahahahah funny jesus in the OT hello is anyone there hahahahh jesus came in NT - funny - but forget about jesus - lets look at muahmmed who killed many thousands - he even cut a baby out of a ladies stomach once ...my golly
hew as a polical warlord ......come on mate answer the question dont worry about the OT .....

can you answer the question or not , cause you totaly just sidestepped it now