What makes Islam a religion of peace

[godlikemadman]

I'll repeat this one more time for markymark, and I'll even put it in all bold and underlined so he can read it:

Muhammad began as a orphaned peasant who worked his way up from nothing to a position of relative power and control. He only fought battles and wars when he was placed under attack by the Munafiqeen and Kuffar of Mecca. His conquests during his lifetime were all in the Arabian peninsula, and were peaceful, not warlike, as he sent out letters to various kingdoms to ask to consider Islam as a religion, just as any Prophet of the Torah or NT did. His predecessors after the 4 Noble Caliphs were responsible for much of the bloodshed, and even then, they were far more just and bloodless than the spread of Christianity under Constantine and the European nations going into the Americas.

Muhammad lived in a violent time and was put in a position of power. Jesus lived in a relatively peaceful time and held no political or military power.

/thread

 

[markymark]

Right, that whole turn the other cheek thing was meaningless.



So what you're saying is that you believe that Islam is a religion of violence and war and you want others to agree with you. Well don't be surprised that most folks around here are a little more informed.

really ...well if you are so informed pls enlighten me , do you disagree muhammed was a poltical warlord , its really not a hard qeustion should be easy to answer for you folk , since your soooo knowledgeable and well informed...ohhh just case you might want to have read below firdt

Muhammad gained few followers early on,[13] and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia[14] before he and his remaining followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]

wow eight years of fighting against his former home town - sounds like a warlord to me

 

[markymark]

Not surprising since I'm doing exactly the same thing you're doing.



Yes you do.



You mean the thread? Yes, it's obstensibly about Islam, but you're turning it into a lesson in (amatuerish) dissembling.



I'm sorry, I'd like to address all that but I was "waiting" for you to say that George Washington was the King of Ireland.

so you refuse to answer this question if muammed was a political warlord

Muhammad gained few followers early on,[13] and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia[14] before he and his remaining followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]

cant argue with history can you

 

[markymark]

Not surprising since I'm doing exactly the same thing you're doing.



Yes you do.



You mean the thread? Yes, it's obstensibly about Islam, but you're turning it into a lesson in (amatuerish) dissembling.



I'm sorry, I'd like to address all that but I was "waiting" for you to say that George Washington was the King of Ireland.

George Washington was the King of Ireland - sorry you rambling again can we stick to the OP

 

[fishy]

wow , you know very very little of religion , it was hard to do but a sacfrices had to made and God knew he would come back from the dead - it was the only way to save man ..anyway you getting of the OP.... you welcome to start your own OP on that subject -pls try and stick to he question which is how can islam be a religion of peace if it was birthed in violence by its founder its really a simple question.

Who said a sacrifice had to be made and who was it made to?

 

[Quagmire]

so you refuse to answer this question if muammed was a political warlord

Why not? You're refusing to acknowledge every answer you've already gotten to that question.

Muhammad gained few followers early on,[13] and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia[14] before he and his remaining followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]

cant argue with history can you

So basically, by saying that since Mohammed actually took part in battles, whereas Jesus just told his followers to buy swords while he himself enjoyed a short but peaceful and non-violent life, you're point is ...what? That Jesus was a coward?

 

[markymark]

I'll repeat this one more time for markymark, and I'll even put it in all bold and underlined so he can read it:

Muhammad began as a orphaned peasant who worked his way up from nothing to a position of relative power and control. He only fought battles and wars when he was placed under attack by the Munafiqeen and Kuffar of Mecca. His conquests during his lifetime were all in the Arabian peninsula, and were peaceful, not warlike, as he sent out letters to various kingdoms to ask to consider Islam as a religion, just as any Prophet of the Torah or NT did. His predecessors after the 4 Noble Caliphs were responsible for much of the bloodshed, and even then, they were far more just and bloodless than the spread of Christianity under Constantine and the European nations going into the Americas.

Muhammad lived in a violent time and was put in a position of power. Jesus lived in a relatively peaceful time and held no political or military power.

/thread

firstly ....ok let me get this straight was he attacking his fellow muslims or non believers in the arab peninsular

His conquests during his lifetime were all in the Arabian peninsula, and were peaceful, not warlike,

sorry waht does a peaceful conquest entail exactly ? is that like pretend beating in quran 4:34 with a imaginably toothpick ?

con·quest/ˈkänkwest/
Noun:
The subjugation and assumption of control of a place or people by use of military force.
A territory that has been gained in such a way: "colonial conquests".

can you elaborate as i think you just talked yourself into a corner so you are saying peaceful military force. mmmmmm strange concept peaceful force

pls see below for OLD MO real history

Muhammad gained few followers early on,[13] and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia[14] before he and his remaining followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]

8 years of war mmmmmm yes yes very peaceful

 

[Rational_Mind]

thanks but i know my bible -ahhhh do you know what i was waiting for you to mention this verse:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34)

your response is weak at best here is why - pls can you provide ANY versuse were jesus used a sword , any pls would love to hear , the bible often refers to the bible as the two edge sword , it also says put on the armour of God daily , the belt of truth , the breast plate of rightouesess , does taht mean chrisitans have to put on real armoury - no of course not - when old mo talks about the sword - he actually means a sword - fact is old mo killed many people - does not matter if it was in battle or not, jesus was never in battle - when they came to crucify him - did he tell his disciples to attack the romans , no he gave himself up - man you have nothing - try again pls

we are not deabting if christains follow the bible they should turn the other cheek , we are debating waht is taught in islam , stop trying to duck the real issue

lets no even begin discussing islam barbaric views and disgusting instructions on how woman should be treated - otherwise i really have to start playing hard ball

Please use proper grammer and spelling. Right now it is clear you are not worthy to discuss anything with.

We do not say Jesus (AS) was a sword holding tyrant, he was a pious and peaceful prophet like Muhammad (SAW). It seems that your text seems to suggest to sell garments and buy swords. Explain the second verse I quoted in metaphorical sense. I think I made my point pretty clear. You are clearly here to slander others.

It is not practical to apply Christianity today as it was never intent for all time. We believe that the religion of the people of the book is true but not valid for this time. I cannot change facts and say that Christianity today has not been distorted from the original teachings of Jesus(AS). It has been proven over and over again that the scripture was changed.

If anyone is genuinely interested in clearing up whether Allegations put against Islam are true they can continue. I don't think it will be worthwhile to even continue discussing with markymark as he cannot support his claims.

 

[markymark]

Who said a sacrifice had to be made and who was it made to?

can you read - like said you are welcome to start you own OP this is about islam being birthed in violence ,again for the 3rd time ..can you answer the question or not

was muhammed a political warlord ?

so simple

 

[markymark]

Why not? You're refusing to acknowledge every answer you've already gotten to that question.



So basically, by saying that since Mohammed actually took part in battles, whereas Jesus just told his followers to buy swords while he himself enjoyed a short but peaceful and non-violent life, you're point is ...what? That Jesus was a coward?

haha call him what you want , can you provide a source were jesus folllowers used swords

i would much rather be called a peaceful coward than a poltical warlord who killed thousands

so you agree then old mo did take part in battles and was involved in war , and lead his followers to war against unbelievers -thats fine i agree with ...i think we done here point proofed

since Mohammed actually took part in battles,

 

[fishy]

can you read - like said you are welcome to start you own OP this is about islam being birthed in violence ,again for the 3rd time ..can you answer the question or not

was muhammed a political warlord ?

so simple

I'm responding to claims you have made in support of the OP, this later question was not a part of the OP. So what do you want ? We can only discuss/question the parts of your posts that you decide can be discussed/questioned? hahahaha

 

[Quagmire]

haha call him what you want , can you provide a source were jesus folllowers used swords

Sure. Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course before that there was the incident with Peter in the Garden when he cut the ear off one of the Temple guards.

i would much rather be called a peaceful coward than a poltical warlord who killed thousands

So you're saying it's OK to advocate viiolence as long as you don't actually particpate in it?

so you agree then old mo did take part in battles and was involved in war ,

Beats me. I'm much more interested in Psychology than History, which is why I'm focusing more on the way your debating rather than what you're trying to "debate" about.

and lead his followers to war against unbelievers -thats fine i agree with ...i think we done here point proofed

since Mohammed actually took part in battles,

The actual quote was "by saying that since Mohammed actually took part in battles..."

I was talking about you're perspective, not mine, since (as you keep nagging about) I haven't offered mine yet.

Intentionally misquoting..., taking things out of context..., asking the same questions over and over regardless of the fact that they've already been answered..., hearing things that nobody said and missing most of what people actually are saying...., you're becomong more interesting by the minute.

 

[markymark]

Please use proper grammer and spelling. Right now it is clear you are not worthy to discuss anything with.

We do not say Jesus (AS) was a sword holding tyrant, he was a pious and peaceful prophet like Muhammad (SAW). It seems that your text seems to suggest to sell garments and buy swords. Explain the second verse I quoted in metaphorical sense. I think I made my point pretty clear. You are clearly here to slander others.

It is not practical to apply Christianity today as it was never intent for all time. We believe that the religion of the people of the book is true but not valid for this time. I cannot change facts and say that Christianity today has not been distorted from the original teachings of Jesus(AS). It has been proven over and over again that the scripture was changed.

If anyone is genuinely interested in clearing up whether Allegations put against Islam are true they can continue. I don't think it will be worthwhile to even continue discussing with markymark as he cannot support his claims.

i cant answer all your questions on the bible reagrding the second verse i have not studies it enough ...i nerve claimed i understood every verse ...i am dealing with historical facts , that shows Muhammed was political warlord that lead his followers in battle against non muslims

sorry but the bible says God is the same today tomorrow and forever so it is
practical to apply Christianity today i was intended for all time ..sorry but your are wrong ...to be honest i dont want to debate with anymore - anyone out there reading this pls note history says muhamed attacked his hometown and was in battle for 8 years (who knows how many non muslims he killed) THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT

Muhammad gained few followers early on,[13] and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution, Muhammad sent some of his followers to Abyssinia[14] before he and his remaining followers in Mecca migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622.[15] This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar, which is also known as the Hijri Calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes,[15] and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his followers, who by then had grown to 10,000, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam, and he had united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity.[16][17]

i have repeatedly ask my friend here if Muhammed was a political warlord but he has refused to answer as the truth is so obvious ....you cant change history no matter how much you deny or refuse to believe it

 

[Rational_Mind]

I pray that markymark is never threatened by anyone holding a weapon since he (assuming mark is male) will be obliged to sacrifice himself.

Why does he constantly take stuff out of context. He can repeat a question that is clearly answered but he cannot answer anything that is posed to him after. Furthermore, his conduct clearly shows he goes out saying things that he posses nearly no knowledge about.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

really ...well if you are so informed pls enlighten me , do you disagree muhammed was a poltical warlord , its really not a hard qeustion should be easy to answer for you folk , since your soooo knowledgeable and well informed...ohhh just case you might want to have read below firdt

I never said he wasn't, what does it matter? King David was a warlord, Moses wasn't the nicest person either. As to being informed, I grew up in the Middle-East where my father was working in construction. I have had Muslim friends since I was 10 and learned about their history and culture first hand. I have no problems with the label "Religion of Peace".

Your turn, where do you get the justification for your hatred and prejudice towards Islam?

 

[markymark]

I pray that markymark is never threatened by anyone holding a weapon since you will be obliged to sacrifice yourself.

if i am threatened with a weapon and its Gods will i die i will gladly sacrfice myself to spend eternity with God (GLADLY) and follow Jesus example as he did when the Romans came to arrest him and crucify him for no reason and thats the truth

lets no mention islam the only religion thats god official sanctions and allows lying

Taqiyya (alternate spellings taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah), meaning religious dissimulation,[1] is a practice emphasized in Shi'a Islam whereby adherents may conceal their religion when they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.[2] This means a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are under those risks.[3]


one of the 10 commandments is not to lie

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

yet allah intructs it ...i think i have made my point

 

[godlikemadman]

GAH

Markymark, you've quoted the exact same wikipedia page (without citations btw), which is hardly a credible source, about 4 times now. Also, this page does nothing to back up your claim. All it says is that Muhammad was forced to fight those who attacked him, his own hometown, which INSTIGATED the violence in the first place. What, did you want Muhammad to lay back and allow himself and his followers to be massacred by the Kuffar? God damn, you must be dumber than you sound.

Also, maybe if you did a little research rather than look up articles on Wikipedia you might realize that Muhammad's "conquest" of Makkah was bloodless. He simply strolled into the city and the enemy laid down their arms. It's recorded history, mate.

I don't usually hand these out lightly, but you are perhaps the most ignorant bloke I've met on the internet. Ever. And that's saying something.

 

[godlikemadman]

What the **** lnflkdjwfbnlhksbsdbhilebfk>kajd:ekbfj

if your life is threatened taqiyya allows you to refute islam verbally so you dont get ******* slaughtered how is this warlike in any way lfhnleksj>dbnliwukh>aldkio:wgf

 

[markymark]

I'm responding to claims you have made in support of the OP, this later question was not a part of the OP. So what do you want ? We can only discuss/question the parts of your posts that you decide can be discussed/questioned? hahahaha

again , dodge the question ...pls try and keep up the question regrading muhammed being a warlord is directly related to OP...you is not

 

[godlikemadman]

We have answered your question many times over, markymark. Muhammad was not a freaking warlord. He was a military commander, yes, he was a political leader, yes, and he was a prophet, yes. He only functioned in the capacity of a commander when under direct unprovoked attack. Please, what more do you want?