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What makes you think Islam is a false religion?

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.K 2:193-194
Set 3, Count 5+6 [2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. [2.194] The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (of) those who say: Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from Thee a helper. [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan; surely the strategy of the Satan is weak. [4.77]


This is really just giving divine license to go around killing people. It's disgusting and makes me angry. But I am going to control myself.
 
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MFaraz_Hayat

Active Member
If you mean by stuff actual quotes from the Quran by translations rendered by Muslims themselves then sure. Nope sorry it is proven. The Quran is full of teachings which preach violence. I know of no other religion which does, certainly not to this extent:

[4.89] ...take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them...
[4.90] Allah has not given you a way against them [Allah supposedly does not allow Muslims to fight people friendly to Muslims]. [4.91]...seize them and kill them wherever you find them...


Excerpt K 8:005
Set 25, Count 58 Even as your Lord caused you to go forth from your house with the truth, though a party of the believers were surely averse;Excerpt K 8:007
Set 26, Count 59 ...Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers.Excerpt K 8:009-010
Set 27, Count 60+61 [8.9]...I will assist you [in Jihad] with a thousand of the angels following one another [see K 008:012]. [8.10] ...Allah only gave it as a good news and that your hearts might be at ease thereby; and victory is only from Allah; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.Excerpt K 8:012
Set 28, Count 62 ...make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.Excerpt K 8:015-017
Set 29, Count 63-65 [8.15] ...when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. [8.16] ...for the sake of fighting... [8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote [Allah gets the credit for Jihad]...

8.65] O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand [in other words, do not understand totalitarian ideologies like Islam]. [8.66] ...if there are a hundred patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand they shall overcome two thousand by Allah's permission... [8.67] It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods [i.e., ransom money] of this world... [8.68] ...ransom... [8.69] Eat then of the lawful and good (things) which you have acquired in war [war spoils]...[8.70] O Prophet! say to those of the captives [non-Muslims] who are in your hands: If Allah knows anything good in your hearts, He will give to you better than that which has been taken away from you [in Jihad]

Excerpt K 9:005
Set 33, Count 91 ...slay the idolaters wherever you find them...take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush...Excerpt K 9:012-014
Set 34, Count 92-94 [9.12] ...fight the leaders of unbelief...[9.13] What! will you not fight a people...[9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.Excerpt K 9:016
Set 35, Count 95 ...those of you who have struggled hard [in Jihad]Excerpt K 9:019-020
Set 36, Count 96+97 [9.19] ...strives hard in Allah's way?... [9.20]...strove hard [Jihad] in Allah's way with their property and their souls...Excerpt K 9:024-026
Set 37, Count 98-100 [9.24] ...striving in His way [Jihad]:, then wait till Allah brings about His command [to go on Jihad]: ... [9.25] Certainly Allah helped you in many battlefields and on the day of [the Battle of] Hunain, when your great numbers made you vain, ... [9.26] ...chastised those who disbelieved [Muhammad gives credit to angels and Allah for the actions of Jihadists]...
Fight those who do not believe in Allah...nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.Excerpt K 9:036
Set 39, Count 102 ...fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together...Excerpt K 9:038-039
Set 40, Count 103+104 [9.38] ...Go forth in Allah's way [to Jihad]... [9.39] If you do not go forth [to go on Jihad], He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you [to go on Jihad]...

Go forth light [lightly armed] and heavy [heavily armed], and strive hard in Allah's way [Jihad] with your property and your persons...Excerpt K 9:044
Set 42, Count 106 ...striving hard with their property and their persons [Jihad] ...Excerpt K 9:052
Set 43, Count 107 ...Allah will afflict you with punishment from Himself or by our hands...Excerpt K 9:073
Set 44, Count 108 ...strive hard [Jihad] against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them...Excerpt K 9:081
Set 45, Count 109 ...they were averse from striving in Allah's way [Jihad] with their property and their persons, and said: Do not go forth [to Jihad] in the heat...Excerpt K 9:083
Set 46, Count 110 ... shall you fight an enemy with me [in Jihad]...Excerpt K 9:086
Set 47, Count 111 ...strive hard [in Jihad] along with His Apostle

A few hundred more here: "164 Jihad Verses in the Koran -- Passages in the Quran about Islamic Holy War" compiled by Yoel Natan

Sorry but I cannot reconcile this with divinity.
Contexts of battlefields........ all these verses are from contexts of battlefields. And here I challenge you; produce a verse from Quran which clearly orders muslims to kill non-muslims, and the context is not of a battle-field(or where the non-muslims secretly plotted plans, to harm the muslim community).
Just check the very verses you presented. Majority of them, have been presented without context (surrounding verses). Others are imply discontinued, such as .....(hand-picked text)......... [Surah no and verse no.].
Example can be taken of (you quoted):
The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:
"Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them."
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]

Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]

This verse is quoted during a battle
Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:
"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."
[Al-Qur’an 9:6]

The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?
This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.
 

MFaraz_Hayat

Active Member
Contexts of battlefields........ all these verses are from contexts of battlefields. And here I challenge you; produce a verse from Quran which clearly orders muslims to kill non-muslims, and the context is not of a battle-field(or where the non-muslims secretly plotted plans, to harm the muslim community).
Just check the very verses you presented. Majority of them, have been presented without context (surrounding verses). Others are imply discontinued, such as .....(hand-picked text)......... [Surah no and verse no.].
Example can be taken of (you quoted):
The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:
"Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them."
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]

Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]

This verse is quoted during a battle
Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:
"If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."
[Al-Qur’an 9:6]

The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?
This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.
Check the verse you quoted:
Excerpt K 9:005
Set 33, Count 91 ...slay the idolaters wherever you find them...take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush..
This is propagation of a lie. The manner in which you quoted the verse, omits the part where war was being declared and the scenario of battlefield. I think Hinduism is stictly against propagation of such lies.
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
all these verses are from contexts of battlefields. And here I challenge you; produce a verse from Quran which clearly orders muslims to kill non-muslims, and the context is not of a battle-field

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.K 9:036
Set 39, Count 102 Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

I even know for a fact that the tax above was extracted from my people because they were the dity idolating Kafirs(infidels) I know my people were massacred in cold blood in the most brutal manner. It was not uncommon for 20,000 at a time to be killed just because they practiced another religion.

Like I said I am going to control myself, but my blood boils just thinking of what Islam did to my people.
 

MFaraz_Hayat

Active Member
2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.K 2:193-194
Set 3, Count 5+6 [2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors. [2.194] The Sacred month for the sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation; whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (of) those who say: Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from Thee a helper. [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan; surely the strategy of the Satan is weak. [4.77]


This is really just giving divine license to go around killing people. It's disgusting and makes me angry. But I am going to control myself.
[FONT=VERDANA,ARIAL, HELVETICA][SIZE=-1][Pickthal 2:190] Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 2:191] And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 2:192] But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 2:193] And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 2:194] The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).
Translations by a non-muslim......
Obviously, you do not know much about Islamic history. These verses speak of the conquest of Makkah (again a battle sequence). Makkah was the home of muslims, form where they were driven out unjustly for practicing a new religion, which pagan Quraish saw as a threat. In these verses, God tells muslims to attack only those pagans who are attacking them...... not those non-muslims who are not lifting the sword.
Imagine, if a person comes rushing towards you with a sword in his hand and you know that he will try to kill you no matter what, won't you stop him? To hell you would......
If you actually read verses 4.71-74 they are talking about those muslims, who in battlefield are more interested of booty....... those verses don't speak of non-muslims. (again used out of context)
Verse 4.75 explains the context of verse 4.76 . The muslims are commanded to free people who are being oppressed by tyrants and to fight them, and that such tyrants are minions of devil.....


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Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Jizya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Under Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزْية‎; IPA: [ʤɪzjæh] Ottoman Turkish: cizye; both derived from Pahlavi and ultimately from Aramaic gaziyat [1]) is a per capita tax levied on a section of an Islamic state's non-Muslim citizens, who meet certain criteria. The tax is/was to be levied on able bodied adult males of military age and affording power,[2] (but with specific exemptions,[3][4] though these were discarded at various points in history[5]). From the point of view of the Muslim rulers, jizya was a material proof of the non-Muslims' acceptance of subjection to the state and its laws, "just as for the inhabitants it was a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes."[6] In return, non-Muslim citizens were permitted to practice their faith, to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy, to be entitled to Muslim state's protection from outside aggression, to be exempted from military service and taxes levied upon Muslim citizens.[7][8][9]

Refusal to pay the jizya tax resulted in warfare until the Islamic rule was accepted. The change from Byzantine and Persian rule to Arab rule lowered taxes and created greater religious freedom, and was welcomed by some Jews and Christians. Nevertheless, taxation was a concern for non-Muslims who were paying a higher tax than the zakat tax paid by Muslims. It was also an important factor persuading many dhimmis to convert to Islam, though during the first century after the Arab conquest of Syria and Palestine conversion to Islam was not encouraged "partly because the jizyah constituted an important source of state revenue.
 

MFaraz_Hayat

Active Member
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.K 9:036
Set 39, Count 102 Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

I even know for a fact that the tax above was extracted from my people because they were the dity idolating Kafirs(infidels) I know my people were massacred in cold blood in the most brutal manner. It was not uncommon for 20,000 at a time to be killed just because they practiced another religion.

Like I said I am going to control myself, but my blood boils just thinking of what Islam did to my people.
Set 39, Count 102 Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred; that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Now it's fine. Fight those who are fighting you(and will not stop; according to various other verses muslims are to stop as well, when they stop)....................
The first verse speaks of a islamic tax, levied on rich non-muslims living under an islamic state. It is similar to the citizenship thing.
I am not defending the mistakes of previous imperfect islamic governments (that may have shown cruelty) to non-muslims.
I am talking about Islam, as in the Quran and Hadith. Many islamic governments even today are not perfect. They are based on hand-picked laws that only favour them. Will you blame Islam for it?
 
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Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Basically from all the above(includes the verses you posted, which you assume I have not read) Islam is this very tyrannical and oppressive religion which is extremely intolerant of other religions and ideologies, sanctions killing them with divine license and only grants mercy if the other religion is in subjection to it.

This is why I consider Islam a false religion. There is nothing more to say. I have good reason for my opinion.
 

MFaraz_Hayat

Active Member
Jizya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Under Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزْية‎; IPA: [ʤɪzjæh] Ottoman Turkish: cizye; both derived from Pahlavi and ultimately from Aramaic gaziyat [1]) is a per capita tax levied on a section of an Islamic state's non-Muslim citizens, who meet certain criteria. The tax is/was to be levied on able bodied adult males of military age and affording power,[2] (but with specific exemptions,[3][4] though these were discarded at various points in history[5]). From the point of view of the Muslim rulers, jizya was a material proof of the non-Muslims' acceptance of subjection to the state and its laws, "just as for the inhabitants it was a concrete continuation of the taxes paid to earlier regimes."[6] In return, non-Muslim citizens were permitted to practice their faith, to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy, to be entitled to Muslim state's protection from outside aggression, to be exempted from military service and taxes levied upon Muslim citizens.[7][8][9]

Refusal to pay the jizya tax resulted in warfare until the Islamic rule was accepted. The change from Byzantine and Persian rule to Arab rule lowered taxes and created greater religious freedom, and was welcomed by some Jews and Christians. Nevertheless, taxation was a concern for non-Muslims who were paying a higher tax than the zakat tax paid by Muslims. It was also an important factor persuading many dhimmis to convert to Islam, though during the first century after the Arab conquest of Syria and Palestine conversion to Islam was not encouraged "partly because the jizyah constituted an important source of state revenue.
Jizya is same as taxes levied under citizenship. Under an Islamic State, non-muslims are supposed to pay this tax.
If certain states increased their Jizya rate above Zakat, then they were wrong (it is not supported by Quran and hadith).
 
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MFaraz_Hayat

Active Member
Basically from all the above(includes the verses you posted, which you assume I have not read) Islam is this very tyrannical and oppressive religion which is extremely intolerant of other religions and ideologies, sanctions killing them with divine license and only grants mercy if the other religion is in subjection to it.

This is why I consider Islam a false religion. There is nothing more to say. I have good reason for my opinion.
I proved from your very posts, how you misquoted the verses and propagated lies. If not, then why don't you reply to my response on [9.5] of Quran?
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Faraz, there is no need trying to convince me. I am far too educated to take your arguments seriously. I think everybody can see how tolerant Islam is and how good its adherants are from this dialogue. If yesterday one was trivalising the masscre of 20,000 people by Muslims, today one is justifying taxation of non-Muslims.

I think the world needs to ask itself why should it be tolerant of something which is the paragon of intolerance.
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Faraz, find me another religion that says something like this:

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
or find me a religion which contains hundreds and hundreds of verses on killing non believers, irrespective of context.
 

MFaraz_Hayat

Active Member
Faraz, there is no need trying to convince me. I am far too educated to take your arguments seriously. I think everybody can see how tolerant Islam is and how good its adherants are from this dialogue. If yesterday one was trivalising the masscre of 20,000 people by Muslims, today one is justifying taxation of non-Muslims.

I think the world needs to ask itself why should it be tolerant of something which is the paragon of intolerance.
Lol, when did education come into play? Your own comments show how conceited you are, isn't arrogance wrong in Hinduism? You don't even know me, yet you claim that you have more education.
I have got no clue about the massacre thing. I am talking about Jizya (equivalent of citizenship) in Islamic state. If you become a citizen of the state of Britain, you have to pay them taxes. It's similar here............ unless you prove that this is wrong(with resaon), you'r arguments have no value. Mere words are not that win arguments......
 

MFaraz_Hayat

Active Member
Faraz, find me another religion that says something like this:

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Obviously none...... Don't you get it? Islamic system tells us about ow to setup and run a state(apart from religious philosophies)! First of all you show me a religion that talks about having it's own state (as in a religious political state, ordained by God) then we'll continue the argument. Islam is not only about religious philosophy. It is a complete code, for individuals to state. If a state is charging taxes (to those living on it's land) is it wrong?
Plus, the word fight is a mis-translation. The arabic word Jihad used, means to strive(if you don't believe me, feel free to consult a dictionary)..........
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Faraz, if you are indeed educated, then you will know Jizya was imposed on the subjects of countries that were conquered by Muslims and they were conquered because they were non-Muslims in the first place.

There is no such tax in Britain. There is no such tax in the whole of the civilised world. To tax someone to practice their religion is tyranny. A word which aptly characterizes your religion.
 

MFaraz_Hayat

Active Member
Faraz, if you are indeed educated, then you will know Jizya was imposed on the subjects of countries that were conquered by Muslims and they were conquered because they were non-Muslims in the first place.

There is no such tax in Britain. There is no such tax in the whole of the civilised world. To tax someone to practice their religion is tyranny. A word which aptly characterizes your religion.
Again, you portray lack of comprehension. In an ISLAMIC STATE, a non-muslim is like an Indian in Britain. You want the citizenship, fine. But you'll have to pay the tax. Muslims pay a much higher tax of Zakat ! (therefore, this tax is not discriminatory towards non-muslims).
Those governments that increased Jizya rate to an extent, that it was higher than zakat, did wrong (this is not supported by Quran and hadith).
 

Surya Deva

Well-Known Member
Obviously none...... Don't you get it?

Exactly, there is no other religion either in the past or in modern times that is this intolerant and savage. This is why if there ever was a false religion, Islam is it. Islam has more in common with Nazism than it has with divinity.

A religion which is suppose to be divine would never have things like this. This is what my own religion says:

O citizens of the world!
Live in harmony and concord.
Be organized and cooperate
Speak with one voice
(Rig 10.191.2)

If something is divine it would not be telling you to go around on killing sprees and damning most of the worlds population.

Your religion is not divine in my opinion. It is the antithesis of it.
 

kadzbiz

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Let me just ask this simple question, can I as a non-muslim live in peace in a muslim occupied region?
 
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